if you dont think ali's number one u should be banned

[butterfly1964]

marciano was around 300 for that fight, ali barely had a pouch on his stomach. ali was in way better condition then marciano.

but marciano still trained and ali didn't. and ali was fat as well. he weighed about the same that marciano did about 240.

[Da Iceman]

marciano was way above 240 he was like 270

[Brassangel]

Ali was fast, but not so fast that people couldn't get inside on him. Charles "Sonny" Liston from say, 1959-1961 might have actually landed a few of his otherwise wide misses. Rocky Marciano was good at closing the gaps, as was Joe Frazier. Smokin' Joe would have given Ali trouble at any point in their careers. Tyson, without getting into a debate about his qualities, was naturally one of the best in the history of the sport at closing gaps and tearing down opponents. Joe Louis moved slowly by choice; it was an era when the heavyweights were expected to plod around and land blow after unforgiving blow. He could cut off the ring and counter-punch very well. Most fighters who could time a right hand or left hook with Ali's jab could stand a chance.

Things would have been so much more complicated for Ali in recent years due to the tremendous amounts of defensive/counter-punch styles that have been floating around.

I often play Fight Night 3 on XBOX 360 with a few of my boxing fanatic friends, and I must say it's an improvement (in terms of style accuracy) over the previous versions. One of my buddies, who happens to be an Ali hugger (much like butterfly1964), suggested that I pick a volume puncher (or make one with appropriate stats) and he'd whoop me with Ali. I will say that Ali is easily the fastest heavyweight in that game, he's hard to knock down/out, and his jab comes seemingly out of nowhere. So, before the flames come rolling in about the silliness of using a game for this type of example, I am already well aware of such inaccuracies. Needless to say, I did win. The key wasn't trying to bull rush him into submission, as Ali (and my friend) was just too swift and crafty for that. The way to beat him was to be very patient, and throw accurate counter-jabs and overhand rights to deter the jab. Folley showed a little of this in his fight with Ali, and was even winning on the cards until he got knocked out by a sissy punch. A dancer like Ali would be forced to try a few things different, or else something bad could happen. When given the opportunity, the opponent could use a small burst of energy to cut off the path of said dancer and land a few strikes to the body before the inevitable clinch. Had a more skilled fighter, like those listed above, taken a similar approach in combat (fantasy fights, of course), they would probably catch him.

Based on information such as this, coupled with the overall well-roundedness of a fighter, one could safely place Joe Louis at #1.

Needless to say, Ali would still probably win 2 out of 3 against any fighter, as he was able to adapt after the oversights of fight 1. If head-to-head trilogies hold sway in your personal "best all-time" list, then Ali would likely be #1.

[Brassangel]

My first post was to stay on the original topic.

As to the computer simulation between Rocky and Muhammad...well, that's entirely speculation.

Even if Rocky trained more and trained harder for that spar session, he had a 45 year old body; which anyone will tell you can only work so hard. He had almost twenty years on Muhammad Ali, and a heck of a lot more time off, so it's IMPOSSIBLE to conclude that he was in better fighting condition than Ali. Even so, Marciano's style would likely give Ali trouble. There's no two ways about that; even for butterfly1964. Would Rocky win? I don't know about that, but I imagine it would be pretty dramatic. Guys who could take lots of punishment and cut off the ring were always good against Ali, and Marciano just happened to be one of the best in history in those categories.

[sleazyfellow]

frazier had more a chance to beat ali than marciano ever would ok...headmovement n footwork he had marciano beat in...and imo his left hook was better than rockys left or right..i dont care if u flame me..IM GOING HOME

[RockyMarcianofan00]

The thing about Rocky v Ali is that first Ali was most seseptable to rocky's best punch (left hook i believe it was or a right hook--they said it on the documentary of the super fight) and The one thing that Ali was bad at was inside fighting which was rocky's best, he also had trouble with swarmers (good example joe frazier),also rocky could KO people with either hand because of his great strength. Thats where rocky has the edge, Ali has the edge with speed footwork and head movement, also Rocky was somewhat slow.

Rocky did have a good defense, and was probably one of the best people at cutting off the ring. I guess you could give Ali the fact that Marciano cuts easier

but i honestly don't know why people say marciano cuts bad, he cut in 4 fights if i'm not mistaken, thats not that many for his record.

[QueensburyRules]

thats what i think if u dont put ali number one i think u should be banned and never logg on ur computer again

and if you dont think ali's number one **** YOU

- -Heh, heh, peasants with pitchforks and torches hunting down Frankenstein's monster...classic!

[soul_survivor]

Fools on here arguing about the Ali v Rocky match up....did these idiots not know it was a simulation?

[QueensburyRules]

Fools on here arguing about the Ali v Rocky match up....did these idiots not know it was a simulation?

- -Ali and Rocky had to spar to make the footage where each made a lifelong friend of the other.

Odd couple for sure.

[soul_survivor]

- -Ali and Rocky had to spar to make the footage where each made a lifelong friend of the other.

Odd couple for sure.

Spar is using the term veryyyy loosely here I hope. As per Ali's own interview about the simulation, they had to "spar" based on different scenarios, so in one scenario it would be about Ali's jab, in another about Marciano's power or whatever the directors wanted.

Footage was shot in all these scenarios and then SUPPOSEDLY put through a super computer (sounds like the Balboa movie lol) which decided who would have won.

It is a very interesting scenario and I'm surprised it hasn't been repeated in modern times.