Jack Dempsey appreciation thread!

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Jack Dempsey was great but Gene Tunney was by far the perfect matchup for him, in favor of tunney.

in their three fights i think Dempsey won i believe 2-3 rounds.
Granted he should have won the long count, the ref was corrupt but besides that

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Gene Tunney
W 67 (49 ko's) (+ 16 news) | L 1 (+ 1 news) | D 1 (+ 1 news) | Total 88

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Long Count- Tunney was on the floor for about 14 seconds and he got up and the ref was on a number like 6, he started the count late because the new rule that you had to be in the neutral corner was in affect and Dempsey wasn't aware

[SuzieQ49]

dempsey was far past his prime when he fought tunney. a prime hungry mean dempsey would have knocked tunney out.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Jack Dempsey
"Manassa Mauler" (orginally called Kid Blackie)
WINS: 60
LOSSES: 7
KO's: 51
DRAWS: 8
NO DECISION: 5
Total:80

Jack Dempsey born June 24th 1895 orginally called Kid Blackie, His iron strength and killer left hooks allowed Dempsey to beat Jess Willard in 1919, leaving the giant bewildered and shattered. This victory awarded Dempsey both the heavyweight title and the nickname of the "Manassa Mauler, " the name that soon haunted potential opponents all around the country. Dempsey became a ring warrior through his tough defense of his title six times in just seven years. In most of his matches, there were no survivors.
September 3rd 1926, the day Gene Tunney beat Dempsey for the title.
Later in 1927 he rematched Tunney hoping to get his title back only too lose, though he scored a knockdown that was lost to the the infamous "long count" because the new rule that you had to be in a neutral corner when your opponent was knocked down Dempsey didn't listen. 3 rounds later tunney retained the title. He fought more exhibitions after that but finally retired in 1940.
He was said to be the first popular heavyweight champion
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[RockyMarcianofan00]

dempsey was far past his prime when he fought tunney. a prime hungry mean dempsey would have knocked tunney out.

that is very likely
but the style matchup made it an interesting fight to watch

[butterfly1964]

Jack Dempsey
"Manassa Mauler" (orginally called Kid Blackie)
WINS: 60
LOSSES: 7
KO's: 51
DRAWS: 8
NO DECISION: 5
Total:80

Jack Dempsey born June 24th 1895 orginally called Kid Blackie, His iron strength and killer left hooks allowed Dempsey to beat Jess Willard in 1919, leaving the giant bewildered and shattered. This victory awarded Dempsey both the heavyweight title and the nickname of the "Manassa Mauler, " the name that soon haunted potential opponents all around the country. Dempsey became a ring warrior through his tough defense of his title six times in just seven years. In most of his matches, there were no survivors.
September 3rd 1926, the day Gene Tunney beat Dempsey for the title.
Later in 1927 he rematched Tunney hoping to get his title back only too lose, though he scored a knockdown that was lost to the the infamous "long count" because the new rule that you had to be in a neutral corner when your opponent was knocked down Dempsey didn't listen. 3 rounds later tunney retained the title. He fought more exhibitions after that but finally retired in 1940.
He was said to be the first popular heavyweight champion
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dempsey himself actually requested that the neutral corner rule be put into place.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

more dempsey pics

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Dempsey Stamp

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Dempsey KO'ing Firpo

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Dempsey and his wife i suppose

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Dempsey on heavy bag

i got 5 more pics of dempsey ready to post
and some more info etc that i'll post tomorrow
its late i'm going to bed

[butterfly1964]

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Dempsey KO'ing Firpo

uhhmmm, that's not dempsey ko'ing firpo, that's firpo knocking (or pushing, take your pick) dempsey out of the ring. cause i remember dempsey wore white trunks and firpo wore purple trunks for that fight.

[Kid Achilles]

I agree. Wills would have been a tough fight for Dempsey at that point in his career. Look at how close Firpo came to dethroning Dempsey in 1923. Wills was of similar size but had more skill than the Wild Bull. I don't think Dempsey personally avoided him. He himself signed the contract to fight the man, but Kearns did not want it, and so it never came to be. That's the one knock on Dempsey though, that he avoided this obvious challenge to his title.

Personally, I think Dempsey would have prevailed in the end through superior handspeed speed and aggression. Dempsey always loved to fight big guys and even the old worn Dempsey who lost to Tunney both times would have had a better time with a Wills than a mover like Gene.

If we're talking prime pre-title Dempsey I really do think he would have taken Wills out in a hurry as he did with Fulton. Obviously Wills would last longer than 18 seconds but he would probably be stopped or knocked out in a few rounds. Not a knock on Will's skills but I don't think he would have had the chin to deal with Dempsey's onslaught when Dempsey was really on top of his game and in the best shape of his life. If you're that big of a target and you're facing Dempsey you better be able to take it and Wills could, to a degree, but not like Willard. I think people will knock Wills' chin because he was KO'ed by Langford. Understand that Langford, though not a huge man, was a rare puncher who could have KO'ed nearly ANYONE. I think Wills had a decent chin, but at his size he'd be getting hit to the head and body with frightening regularity.

I think of the way Dempsey regulary manhandled George Godfrey in sparring and on at least one occassion broke the powerfully built man's ribs (while wearing large sparring gloves) and I just don't see a 6'3" man with a big body as having a good chance against that kind of attack.

However, this is coming from a big Dempsey fan.

[mokele]

the best Marciano article I've read

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4488&more=1

where the stars are put e a s t s i d e (without spaces)

That has to be the best Marciano article I've ever read. Like many boxing fans who have seen the size of a typical heavyweight increase so much that anyone under 210 lbs. today is regarded as a "small heavyweight", I have entertained the notion that Marciano reigned in an era without any good big heavyweights, guys like Max and Buddy Baer, Primo Carnera, Abe Simon and other very big men that Joe Louis faced and beat. However, it was hardly Marciano's fault that all the big men of the late 1940s and early to middle 1950s were not as good as the smaller heavyweights of that era. Somehow I think that Marciano could even have beaten huge guys like Abe Simon or Buddy Baer, although it would have looked like an impossible task on paper. Marciano's power was that good.

[Yogi]

Kid, since you brought up the Dempsey/Godfrey sparring sessions, I thought this may be of interest to you if you haven't seen it before...I got it from Kevin Smith's site quite some time ago, so I finally figured that I'd share it;