Jack Dempsey appreciation thread!

[SuzieQ49]

dempsey was an absolute beat in his prime. in terms of skillwise, he could do everything. He had the perfect build, he was amazing. true ring legend in and out of the ring. i rate him # 3 heavyweight of all time.


* dempsey did his best work pre title, like liston. the only scar on dempseys record is not fighting harry wills, which i dont believe was his fault. but STILL there are historians who believe wills would have beat jack. he defintley would have been the toughest opponent jack would have ever faced from 1919-23. TOO BAD THIS FIGHT NEVER CAME OFF, I BELIEVE THIS HURT DEMPSEYS LEGACY

[sleazyfellow]

sleazyfellow even though your sig is alittle racist (i'm white) i still think its one of the funnier things i've read lately

lol ty, but im didnt mean it to b racist, its just a street poem after jack johnson beat the great white hope jim jeffries, oh n btw im multiracial mutt so im allowed to talk crap about whiteblackbrown!

[Kid Achilles]

Regardless of his appearance, ****ell was no pushover. Not everyone has the physical toughness and testicular fortitude to come forward against Marciano for as long as he did.

[mokele]

thanks

****ell beat a shot roland lastarza, who had been ruined by rock when he suffered permant physical injuries and had to get 6 different surgeries. prime lastarza shuts out ****ell.

* interestign note: ****ell weighed 205lb vs marciano, about 10lb lighter than in his previous bouts and in his next fight vs valdes, he weighed 218lb. so ****ell was in the "best shape possible". ****ell may have looked like a fat philsbury doughboy, but he was in good shape. his glandular problem made him put on extra weight. so ****ell had no control of his weight problem, toney did.

heres a picture of don ****ell at 175lb before his glandular problem

Thanks. I had no idea what the deal was with either ****ell or La Starza. Maybe I'm unkind but I hated the way La Starza fought against Marciano in their 2nd fight. I bought a tape of that fight many years ago just to see why La Starza gave Marciano so much trouble. All he did on the inside was tie up Rocky until the ref stepped in to separate them. Maybe he was coached to fight that way, but in my book, even if you get knocked out it's more honorable to either cover up, bob and weave and get out or stand and trade than to clinch repeatedly like that. I never saw their 1st encounter.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Don ****ell was the British Champion, and although thought to be fat and out of shape, he was in superb condition - he had a medical problem, which made him slightly chubby. He was thought not to be much of a problem for Marciano, although he was still a legit contender and the best in Britain. Marciano knocked him out in nine rounds, taking a while to wear off some ring rustiness suffered through inactivity. It was a brutal fight, and ****ell was being sick in his corner between rounds, as a result of the extreme punishment his body was absorbing. The referee halted the bout to prevent any serious injuries.

---taken from

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=4488&more=1

where the stars are put e a s t s i d e (without spaces)

[SuzieQ49]

the bravery ****ell showed in that fight is beyond incredible. he promised britain he would return home with the title. he gave it 200% out there and still refused to lay down. ****ell was vomitting in his corner between rounds durign the fight and still went back out there to suffer more damaging blows.


- ****ell had only a couple more fights and retired YOUNG, i think the marciano beating ruined him . after the marciano fight, he didnt even defend his british heavy title.






****ell was by far the worst challenger marciano fought during his championship reigns, i would have liked to see marciano fight nino valdes instead, but there are reasons behind this why marciano chose to fight ****ell first, then nino.

[SuzieQ49]

anyway back to the topic at hand

[sleazyfellow]

nice pics of the mauler on the first page, i remmeber hearing stuff about his manager on his deathbed saying he filled his gloves up with plaster r sumthing like that, i wonder if it was accually true, but i thought refs checked stuff like that and if he accually was using sumthing in his gloves willard would know what a fist felt like rather than that paster of paris (lol idk if thats the way its spelled)

[RockyMarcianofan00]

the bravery ****ell showed in that fight is beyond incredible. he promised britain he would return home with the title. he gave it 200% out there and still refused to lay down. ****ell was vomitting in his corner between rounds durign the fight and still went back out there to suffer more damaging blows.


- ****ell had only a couple more fights and retired YOUNG, i think the marciano beating ruined him . after the marciano fight, he didnt even defend his british heavy title.






****ell was by far the worst challenger marciano fought during his championship reigns, i would have liked to see marciano fight nino valdes instead, but there are reasons behind this why marciano chose to fight ****ell first, then nino.

i wouldn't say he was the worst but he wasn't the best. Also Marciano ruined many careers

he destroyed Carmine Vingo's (nearly killing him)
roland lastarza's career was pratically ruined by Marciano
don ****ell

he stopped Joe Louis' comeback, Joe Louis who was beating almost everybody else around

Jersey Joe Walcott who was arguabley prime when they fought the first time

Lee savold retired after he fought marciano

Ezzard Charles wasn't that much better after he fought Marciano

marciano put several fighters out of commission


but yes back to the topic at hand

[SuzieQ49]

whats everyones opinion on who would have won harry wills vs jack dempsey?


- ill give u some GOOD stuff to read up on him later , truelly an underated heavyweight. im learning new stuff from historian kevin smith everyday on wills. yogi, kid achilles will have good knowledge on this mattter.



Ill post harry wills vs paulino uzcuden later for all to see. its brief footage lasts only 1 minute. NOTE wills was 38 years old and nearly shot for this fight, so dont hold it against him. however from the breif footage, you can see the way wills fights, he has a modern style.