Great Fighters beaten by a Journeyman when in their prime.

[sonnyboyx2]

I think it far outweighs the Cuevas win too. I have never looked at the Cuevas fight as one of Duran's better victories based on when the fought. The Palomino fight is a different story. That was very impressive.

What are you talking about here.. you are claiming Duran beating Palomino is a greater victory for Duran than what his wins over Moore & Barkley were. along with his excellent performances against Marvin Hagler, Pipino Cuevas and Ray Leonard ffs...Palominio although a decent fighter was `Nothing Special` and just a typical belt holder alongside Cuevas in the late 70s.. Palomino beat a couple of limited Britain's before losing his title to a 17yr old boy...Palominio barely won a single round against Duran in a very one-sided fight. Duran moving up in weight and fighting the likes of Hagler, Hearns, Sims & Barkley is remarkable for such a little man, far out-weighing any win over Palomino....Typical reply from JAB who knows FA about boxing.

[young_robbed]

Davey Moore win was AFTER his loss to Laing. Buchanan, DeJesus, Palomino & Brooks although all very good fighters they pale in comparison to Cuevas, Leonard, Hearns, Moore, Barkley & Hagler.. Duran's loss to Hagler was a razor-thin decision, with Hagler rallying in the final round to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat. Duran actually fought that final round as if he thought he had already done enough to win the fight... i can remember both fighters waiting in their corners for the judges decision, with Hagler having a badly swollen right eye, cut lip and bruised up face. While Duran looked unmarked, Duran shouted across the ring to Hagler, "You No Marvelous".. Hagler glared at him and turned away. Duran had been brilliant on the night, his in-fighting and body punching the best i have ever seen. Marvin Hagler had to be sore for weeks after that fight...You obviously don't feel he was in his prime in 1982 whereas i do. i feel he just lost focus for those two defeats to Benitez & Laing..

Buchanan and Palomino are better than Moore, Barkley and past prime Cuevas. The version of Cuevas that Duran beat was nothing special, like I said. You have a really warped view of these guys if you think that..

[rightsideup]

What are you talking about here.. you are claiming Duran beating Palomino is a greater victory for Duran than what his wins over Moore & Barkley were. along with his excellent performances against Marvin Hagler, Pipino Cuevas and Ray Leonard ffs...Palominio although a decent fighter was `Nothing Special` and just a typical belt holder alongside Cuevas in the late 70s.. Palomino beat a couple of limited Britain's before losing his title to a 17yr old boy...Palominio barely won a single round against Duran in a very one-sided fight. Duran moving up in weight and fighting the likes of Hagler, Hearns, Sims & Barkley is remarkable for such a little man, far out-weighing any win over Palomino....Typical reply from JAB who knows FA about boxing.

I cannot speak fo Joseph but I was pointing out that at the stage were Cuevas was at was not the same as if Cholo had faced him 3 years before. I think you underestimating palomino but I agree the Moore, Barkly fights were impressive as well as the losing performance to mh

[rightsideup]

Buchanan and Palomino are better than Moore, Barkley and past prime Cuevas. The version of Cuevas that Duran beat was nothing special, like I said. You have a really warped view of these guys if you think that..

ken and palomino better p4p but with Moore and Barkley were challenges because of there size and power

[young_robbed]

ken and palomino better p4p but with Moore and Barkley were challenges because of there size and power

yeah they were. but Palomino and Ken had much better careers than Moore and Barkley ever did. They were simply much better fighters

[sonnyboyx2]

yeah they were. but Palomino and Ken had much better careers than Moore and Barkley ever did. They were simply much better fighters

Well you have surprised me here with your comments. Please explain to me how you see Carlos Palomino as a greater fighter than Iran Barkley... explain to me what Palomino done in his career which was greater than anything Barkley done in his career... explain to me who Palomino beat in his career who was a better victory than Barkley TWICE beating Thomas Hearns was...???? Because i cannot get my head around just what you are trying to imply here..

[rightsideup]

We have an interesting debate going on here.

[The Old LefHook]

When the Palamino fight happened it was not yet known how Duran would fare among the welters. That is why it was an impressive win for its moment. In retrospect, he had many acheivements to follow that were greater and more heroic. But when they happened his performances against Palamino and Brooks were what we had to go by. I forget who he fought first.

Buchannan is a different case. He was elite.

One of the greatest fighters to ever live happened to come along in his division while he was champ. Duran won their fight with a low blow. He would have won anyway. Kenny did not have enough punch to keep the wild man off him. Buchannan should have received a rematch. It was the only fight he wanted. Like Hagler, he had to quit the game and retreat out of sight. That blemish should accompany Duran's legacy along with no mas.

It was Kenny's fault. He finally put on a good rally in that round and did not want to quit once the bell sounded. Duran was not the kind to stand there and take it. Though he was winning the title at the time, Duran cannot use Buchannan as a showcase. He was still undisciplined and did not win cleanly. Much better would have been to have some class, grant the man's rightful rematch and win it cleanly. Duran never did have much personal class. Kenny was far superior to most of Duran's lightweight defenses. He deserved the rematch, begged for it, but Duran said no mas.

[joseph5620]

What are you talking about here.. you are claiming Duran beating Palomino is a greater victory for Duran than what his wins over Moore & Barkley were. along with his excellent performances against Marvin Hagler, Pipino Cuevas and Ray Leonard ffs...Palominio although a decent fighter was `Nothing Special` and just a typical belt holder alongside Cuevas in the late 70s.. Palomino beat a couple of limited Britain's before losing his title to a 17yr old boy...Palominio barely won a single round against Duran in a very one-sided fight. Duran moving up in weight and fighting the likes of Hagler, Hearns, Sims & Barkley is remarkable for such a little man, far out-weighing any win over Palomino....Typical reply from JAB who knows FA about boxing.

Read this again. Slowly this time.


[QUOTE]I think it far outweighs the Cuevas win too. I have never looked at the Cuevas fight as one of Duran's better victories based on when they fought. The Palomino fight is a different story. That was very impressive.[QUOTE]


Where in that post did I mention anything about Barkley or Moore? The topic was clearly Cuevas/Palomino.

I understand that you're an ignorant, semi literate old fool, but this attempt to pick a fight is pathetic and lazy. Try again.

[joseph5620]

What are you talking about here.. you are claiming Duran beating Palomino is a greater victory for Duran than what his wins over Moore & Barkley were. along with his excellent performances against Marvin Hagler, Pipino Cuevas and Ray Leonard ffs...Palominio although a decent fighter was `Nothing Special` and just a typical belt holder alongside Cuevas in the late 70s.. Palomino beat a couple of limited Britain's before losing his title to a 17yr old boy...Palominio barely won a single round against Duran in a very one-sided fight. Duran moving up in weight and fighting the likes of Hagler, Hearns, Sims & Barkley is remarkable for such a little man, far out-weighing any win over Palomino....Typical reply from JAB who knows FA about boxing.

Another thing, the fact that you list the Cuevas fight among the Leonard and Hagler fights is sheer ******ity on your part. For someone who brags about their boxing knowledge you're showing boxing ignorance more than anything else.