The young/prime Mike Tyson

[Scott9945]

Wheather he did or didn't is irrelevant still has nothing to do with him not looking good.You are also incorrect ,anyone who studies Tyson knows he was getting frustrated byy the quick fights as he was not really learning,which rounds is where you get that,not quick fights.The big misconception is Tyson went looking for the quick k.o that is false he just happens to be the best finisher and when he saw the opportunity ...well that's why he averaged 3 rounds in his prime.Even in the biggs fight ,Tyson said he could have ended the fight in round 3 but wanted to punish biggs ,he did this with Green as well...the only real poor fight he had was with Smith who held practically every second and would be DQ'd today.in short if Tyson wants a quick k.o he will get it 99% of he time. I only have really possibly 2 guys that have a chance t stop him or at least avoid a k.o that's Lennox Lewis and Vitali klitchko base on size and enough skills.No one under 230 pounds would not last with the Tyson of the 80's if he deliberatley was looking for a k.o wth an aggressive chip on his shoulder, anyone who thinks otherwise didnt do their homework.

You clearly have a higher opinion of Mike Tyson than I do. I've been down this road before and its become boring now. There is no reasoning with those who put Mike on a plateau.

[juggernaut666]

You clearly have a higher opinion of Mike Tyson than I do. I've been down this road before and its become boring now. There is no reasoning with those who put Mike on a plateau.

Anything I said can be looked up if my points don't fit what you like....I don't write history.as far as talent well that's an opinion how anyone can not give the guy the best fighter ever arguably is puzzling.One does not need reasoning ,one just has to look at his skills he once had its on video.

[Scott9945]

Anything I said can be looked up if my points don't fit what you like....I don't write history.as far as talent well that's an opinion how anyone can not give the guy the best fighter ever arguably is puzzling.One does not need reasoning ,one just has to look at his skills he once had its on video.

Well there you go...

[juggernaut666]

Well there you go...

im starting to think you are actually the person in your profile pic as ive stated his SKILLS are of opinion not fact ,however my statement is clear as would and should be quite puzzling given his skills of not being the best ever in HW division ,the best fighter doesn't always mean victory...this will fly over your head to I guess.Really anyone oputting anyone over the rooney Tyson is more su****ious that they really don't look at fighters and cant distinguish a superior fighter when its right in front of them,yes that's an opinion of Tyson however im not blind.

[Mintcar923]

im starting to think you are actually the person in your profile pic as ive stated his SKILLS are of opinion not fact ,however my statement is clear as would and should be quite puzzling given his skills of not being the best ever in HW division ,the best fighter doesn't always mean victory...this will fly over your head to I guess.Really anyone oputting anyone over the rooney Tyson is more su****ious that they really don't look at fighters and cant distinguish a superior fighter when its right in front of them,yes that's an opinion of Tyson however im not blind.

Agreed.. There are some people clearly biased against Mike.. That's just the way the cookie crumbles..

[billeau2]

Agreed.. There are some people clearly biased against Mike.. That's just the way the cookie crumbles..

There are also facts: Tyson has some marks against him. Its debatable for that reason how good he was. I tend to be one of the people who think he was, in top form, one of the very best, but, one cannot dismiss as biased, people who claim that he is beatable in his prime. Tyson lost to the best fighters he fought...thats just a reality.

[Insane Ninja]

Mike is my all-time fave (probably a by-product of when I grew up) and I think in his prime (yes, prime is a real concept despite the assertions of some, though it's only something that can be ascertained and debated in hindsight... saying only the 'here and now' matters is particularly silly when we are referring to long retired fighters... 'here and now' Tyson would crush 'here and now' Ali) he gives any heavyweight ever a run for their money...

...but it's just impossible to say because he had an amazing (but short) prime that he's the all-time best by any stretch. Was the Tyson who fought Lewis, Holyfield, or even Douglas the same Tyson of his prime? Clearly not, but that doesn't mean prime Tyson would have won those fights, either.

His career is his career... for better or worse. His prime did not include fights against Holyfield or Lewis, let alone Ali or Foreman. We can't fit those fights in there and just assume they would happen sans context and place. To say with sheer confidence that he'd destroy these all-time greats who managed to fight and beat other all-time greats when Tyson did not is silly.

For the record, I think prime Tyson would win a first fight with Ali, lose any and all subsequent rematches.

[Langford]

Deadly and nasty.

Hard to see any heavyweight champion or contender from Johnson through the Klitschkos stopping the 86 - 88 Mike.

An ultimate version of Floyd Patterson when you think about it based on how Cus modernized the peak-a-boo style for him.

[juggernaut666]

Agreed.. There are some people clearly biased against Mike.. That's just the way the cookie crumbles..

Well you can see who knows what on this thread and who doesn't simply by looking at who is over looking his prime years in a very good era of tall skillful opponents at the time he fought them ,a few even out of their primes giving the best 90's fighters difficulties .

[sonnyboyx2]

There are also facts: Tyson has some marks against him. Its debatable for that reason how good he was. I tend to be one of the people who think he was, in top form, one of the very best, but, one cannot dismiss as biased, people who claim that he is beatable in his prime. Tyson lost to the best fighters he fought...thats just a reality.

You maybe correct saying "Tyson lost to the best fighters he fought" But you also have to add into the argument his condition. post or pre imprisonment etc.. his addictions, physical condition, lifestyle... if it is universally accepted on this forum that. "He was not focused, the referee counted to fast, he never took him serious, it was a lucky punch, his mind was on other things" for the pitfalls of Lennox Lewis, then the same has to be accepted for every fighter.