Prior to Marvin Hagler, Hearns at 154

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  • Sugar Adam Ali
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    #11
    Mike mccallum has a legit chance

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      #12
      Originally posted by Ray Corso
      From 147 to 160 Sugar Ray Robinson is the best. He defeated LaMotta weighing 145 with Jake at 158.
      His time at middleweight was a little over 14 years but the last 5 were without his prime conditioning that always out lasted his opponents condition.
      At 154 Robinson could have campaigned there for 10 years easily.
      Tommy would not be able to over come Robinsons talents and what Leonard accomplished late in their fight I see happening early. Tommy always has his shot but not getting to Leonard in their prime offords me to think he can't get to
      Sugar. Sugar is bigger, stronger and vastly more experienced than Leonard.
      I do like Tommy at 154 fighting the likes of Benitez, Duran, Camacho, Leonard
      Moore etc..... I think he was healthier there than at 147!!
      Ray
      He didn't get to SRL at 147. By the time a rematch rolled around they were both faded. But realistically I don't see Hearns beating SRR either. SRR was a little to tough which nullifies Hearns biggest strength. That being said, he did KO a nearly un KOable but faded Roberto Duran, but Duran is a lot smaller than RR so this could be a key factor.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
        Mike mccallum has a legit chance
        I think the Hearns that hadn't met Hagler Beats Mccallum.

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          #14

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          • Ray Corso
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            #15
            Durans greatness was at 135lbs he took advantage of his fame and used his experience to continue on over weight and "over aged"!
            He picked up the pennies and beat a few good fighters on the way.
            Last edited by Ray Corso; 03-18-2015, 01:06 PM.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Ray Corso
              Durans greatness was at 135lbs he took advantage of his fame and used his experience to continue on over weight and "over aged"!
              He picked up the pennies and beat a few good fighters on the way.
              I guess it is a sign of inflation caused by the 76 Olympics that paydays in the 80's for duran,hearns Leonard, and even Marvin to some extent made very good money compared to the 70's

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                #17
                Originally posted by rightsideup
                I guess it is a sign of inflation caused by the 76 Olympics that paydays in the 80's for duran,hearns Leonard, and even Marvin to some extent made very good money compared to the 70's
                70s all the money was at heavy with frazier, ali, foreman, etc

                80s didn't have the heavyweight star power, but 147-160 was loaded with stars..

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                • Ham Porter
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                  #18
                  @ Ray Corso citing referencing Camacho as an opponent for Hearns.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by El-Blonco
                    Hearns didn't really have a weak chin. It was just average for a world class fighter imo. He was only ever stopped by good punchers.
                    Certainly have to disagree with this. It was tempered glass instead of light bulb glass, maybe, but on the other end of the scale from granite. The way he went out was telling, and those stilt legs were wobbly on more than a few occasions. I don't think his P4P chin was even as good as Norton's, he just managed to not get hit as much.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by them_apples
                      I think the Hearns that hadn't met Hagler Beats Mccallum.
                      That's plausible, but I still think mccallum is your best option in beating hearns.. I can't think of any 154 guys that I would pick over mccallum.. I was tempted to say tito Trinidad as he was a monster during his short run at 154, but all I can imagine is tito being repeatedly nailed with the jab before eating a huge right he doesn't see coming and gets stopped like Duran did vs hearns..

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