Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao in a historical perspective

[The Old LefHook]

It is not an important fight now, just a spectacle. My advice: if you can't watch it for free, don't bother. Real superfights happen when the contestants are in their exact primes or close to it. Do yourself a favor and watch it on YouTube a week later.

Watch Ali/Frazirer I, Sanchez/Gomez, Leonard/Hearns I, Leonard/Duran I or even Trinidad/Hoya to see what a superfight is and when it has to occur. Of course Hoya won the latter fight and was robbed. Still, it hapened when it was supposed to.

Pacquiao/Mayweather is not a superfight, it is a super event. No more, no less, and I do not care about it except as a curiosity.

[BKM-2010]

Real superfights happen when the contestants are in their exact primes or close to it..

Johnson vs Jeffries
Marciano vs Louis
Frazier vs Ali
Ali vs Foreman
Holmes vs Norton
Tyson vs Holmes & Spinks
Leonard vs Hagler
Holyfield vs Tyson
Holyfield vs Lewis
Lewis vs Tyson

Most of the biggest fights ever had atleast one of the fighters being past their prime, sometimes both of them. Sometimes one of them severely washed up.

Mayweather and Pacquiao are both equally past their prime, and they are both top 3 pound for pound in the world right now:
http://******.craveonline.com/ratings/pound-for-pound

This ranks up there with one of the most significant fights of all time. How many times have we seen the #1 and #2 best boxers of their generation fight eachother when they are both ranked top 3 pound for pound? The hype is legit.

And you are lying through your teeth if you claim that you don't care or won't watch the fight.

[MrRolltide91]

Anyone saying this fight doesnt mean anything because their past prime is ridiculous.

Roy Jones vs Tito Trinidad meant nothing.

They are still in the top 3 of the P4P lists.

They are ranked #1 and #2 in the their division.

They are fighting for 3 belts.

While they may PHYSICALLY be just over the hill, they are still near the top of their game.

Agreed.....

[BattlingNelson]

Marvin Hagler thinks it's the biggest fight ever. Doesn't matter if either wins by first round kayo:

http://www.boxingscene.com/hagler-ma...history--88180

[P.Esco]

sure they are not in their primes anymore, but both are still top 3 p4p, #1 and #2 at 147, and though they might not be in their physical primes, neither fighter is shot, and both have developed fiighting iq and experience since 2010

[likeamulekick]

I think if pacquiao wins, it will be massive. Very surprised that UK bookies have mayweather having roughly the same odds as pacquiao of scoring a knockDOWN. I think as this fight draws closer, the more the realisation will kick in that these guys are actually going to be in the same ring as each other, throwing punches at each other lol. The lack of anger towards each other, I don't think takes away from the hype and will just be more dramatic when both will be putting 200% in this fight seeing as this is probably there last opponents, 6 years full of talk and a lot to prove. Mayweather undefeated and labelled as a cherrypicker and Manny has a lot of faith, a country looking up to him and a fight hes waited a long time for. Yeah im still excited for this fight, should of happened 6 years ago but I still see it having the same competitiveness.

Also whoever said there watching it on youtube................no your not

[atomicsad]

Marvin Hagler thinks it's the biggest fight ever. Doesn't matter if either wins by first round kayo:

http://www.boxingscene.com/hagler-ma...history--88180

That's to sell the fight. It may be the biggest fight of this decade but below many of the super fights of the past.

[The Old LefHook]

Johnson vs Jeffries
Marciano vs Louis
Frazier vs Ali
Ali vs Foreman
Holmes vs Norton
Tyson vs Holmes & Spinks
Leonard vs Hagler
Holyfield vs Tyson
Holyfield vs Lewis
Lewis vs Tyson

And you are lying through your teeth if you claim that you don't care or won't watch the fight.

Your list of superfights is good for a guffaw. You don't even know what a superfight is, so why are you talking about one as if you do? Marciano/Louis was not a superfight or even close. Neither was Holyfiled/Lewis, Tyson/Holmes, Tyson/Spinks or Tyson/Lewis. I gave true examples of superfights in my last post. It takes more than box office receipts, sonny, or the promoters calling it a superfight for it to be one.

Sure, Holmes/Norton was one of the best heavyweight fights ever, but was not a superfight in buildup, anticipation or anything else. It occurs to me you were not even alive, or perhaps in your crib, when this fight happened. Also, you do not even know your own standards.

Like I said, I will look for a place to watch it free, because it is not worth paying for two geezers who could have fought years ago and given us a superfight instead of just a super spectacle that greenhorns like you buy into with their hearts and souls.

[BKM-2010]

Your list of superfights is good for a guffaw. You don't even know what a superfight is, so why are you talking about one as if you do?

I said they were "some of the biggest fights of all time". And I'd call those superfights because they were huge fights but something like Ali-Frazier and Pacquiao-Mayweather are megafights to me.

But if you want to split hairs on terms so much like a child go ahead.

Marciano/Louis was not a superfight or even close. Neither was Holyfiled/Lewis, Tyson/Holmes, Tyson/Spinks or Tyson/Lewis. I gave true examples of superfights in my last post.

"Ali/Frazirer I, Sanchez/Gomez, Leonard/Hearns I, Leonard/Duran I or even Trinidad/Hoya"

Ali was not in his prime in the first Frazier fight, the fact that I even have to mention that shows that your arrogance in this thread is unfounded. Sanchez vs Gomez was nowhere near the level of some of the other fights mentioned.

The other 3 you mentioned are good examples. I didn't see you nitpick the other ones I mentioned though.

But my point was this: it is rare for a superfight to have both guys at their absolute peak. You specifically said that they should be prime or close to it. Mayweather and Pacquiao are both ranked top 3 pound for pound in the world right now(honestly nobody thinks Wlad is #2, so it is mroe accurate to say that Pac and Floyd are the two best fighters in the sport right now) and have a bunch of belts on the line. You can't seem to respond to these facts.

Pacquiao has only had trouble with the guy who has troubled him since the early part of his career, he still easily beat all his other opponents and Mayweather shut-out Canelo 3 fights ago and hasn't slipped much. Yes they COULD have fought years ago, but that doesn't discredit this fight to that extent.

This IS a super/mega whatever fight that will go down in history with the biggest ones wether you like it or not.

Sure, Holmes/Norton was one of the best heavyweight fights ever, but was not a superfight in buildup, anticipation or anything else. It occurs to me you were not even alive, or perhaps in your crib, when this fight happened. Also, you do not even know your own standards.

Nice so you bring out the old Ray Corso tactics. Spare me your elitism please.

Like I said, I will look for a place to watch it free, because it is not worth paying for two geezers who could have fought years ago and given us a superfight instead of just a super spectacle that greenhorns like you buy into with their hearts and souls.

You're acting like a bitter old fart who can no longer enjoy life then. Also a cheapskate, you will make illegal actions to still watch this fight seeing two pixels go at it on whatever stream you can find, and I bet you will be bitter and whining the entire fight. Whoever is lucky enough to watch it with you sure is a lucky person

[brand404]

What i cant figure out is why people like to say May/Pac are now not as good as they once were but i am confused, arent they at the top of their sport and all comers so far have felt their wrath (sans Pac's brutal knockout by Marquez)? If both fighters were losing as other fighters are then i can understand why people would bring this up but from what i see both are still the best.