Greater: Tony Canzoneri or Julio Cesar Chavez?

[Humean]

Tony Canzoneri
Overall Record---------------------137-24-10
Non-World Level--------------------87--6--6
Borderline World Level---------------16--2--1
World Level-------------------------34-16--3

Achievements
3 Weight World Champion at Featherweight, Lightweight, and Junior Welterweight
10-9-1 World Title Fights

Opponents

Borderline
Vic Burrone, Cowboy Eddie Anderson, Johnny Dundee, Ignacio Fernandez, Eddie Wolfe, Tommy Grogan, Goldie Hess, Battling Gizzy, Harry Dublinsky, Battling Shaw, Bobby Pacho, Joe Ghnouly

World Level
Davey Abad, Andre Routis, Bushy Graham, Johnny Green, Bud Taylor, Pete Nebo, Benny Bass, Vic Foley, Harry Blitman, Al Singer, Joey Sangor, Cecil Payne, Sammy Dorfman, Sammy Mandell, Eddie Mack, Stanislaus Loayza, Jack Kid Berg, Joe Glick, Billy Petrolle, Sammy Fuller, Kid Chocolate, Johnny Ja****, Lew Massey, Wesley Ramey, Barney Ross, Frankie Klick, Cleto Locatelli, Baby Arizmendi, Leo Rodak, Lou Ambers, Jimmy McLarnin


Julio Cesar Chavez
Overall Record------------------------107-6-2
Non-World Level-----------------------77-2-0
Borderline World Level-------------------9-0-0
World Level----------------------------21-4-2

Achievements
3 Weight World Champion at Junior Lightweight, Lightweight, and Junior Welterweight
31-4-2 World Title Fights

Opponents

Borderline
Refugio Rojas, Francisco Tomas Da Cruz, Danilo Cabrera, Kyung-Duk Ahn, John Duplessis, Jorge Alberto Melian, Angel Hernandez, Frankie Mitchell, David Kamau

World Level
Mario Martinez, Ruben Castillo, Roger Mayweather, Rocky Lockridge, Juan Laporte, Edwin Rosario, Rodlfo Aguilar, Jose Luis Ramirez, Sammy Fuentes, Alberto de las Mercedes Cortes, Meldrick Taylor, Lonnie Smith, Hector Camacho, Greg Haugen, Terrence Alli, Pernell Whitaker, Frankie Randall, Tony Lopez, Giovanni Parisi, Oscar De La Hoya, Joey Gamache, Miguel Angel Gonzalez, Kostya Tszyu

[IronDanHamza]

Both great fighters.

Tony one of the "P4P" originators.

Tony I would say, I know you are going to say Chavez.

Either way both are great fighters.

[Humean]

Both great fighters.

Tony one of the "P4P" originators.

Tony I would say, I know you are going to say Chavez.

Either way both are great fighters.

Yeah it is definitely Chavez for me.

Do you think Canzoneri's opposition was better than Chavez's?

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah it is definitely Chavez for me.

Do you think Canzoneri's opposition was better than Chavez's?

Overall no.

Canzoneri has the better wins I think.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I go with chavez,, resumes could go either way, but the tiebreaker for me is that I feel chavez was a better fighter, especially at 130 where I think he is one of the best ever,, the guy was a machine at the lower weights and I just feel h2h he is a higher caliber fighter than canzoneri IMO

[Humean]

Overall no.

Canzoneri has the better wins I think.

McLarnin, Ambers and Kid Chocolate?

[Humean]

Some Canzoneri footage

[joeandthebums]

Really like the way you break down a fighters record Humean. Good work.

[IronDanHamza]

McLarnin, Ambers and Kid Chocolate?

Good wins, for sure.

Petrolle, Taylor, erm, minds gone abit blank top of my head, Arizmendi, a few others.

Argued he could have got the nod in one of the Ross fights.

Lacks the consistency Chavez had. He shared a lot of those wins with Loss's to the same fighter.

I think resume wise or quality win wise it's Canzoneri. H2H I'd pick Chavez though.

[IronDanHamza]

I go with chavez,, resumes could go either way, but the tiebreaker for me is that I feel chavez was a better fighter, especially at 130 where I think he is one of the best ever,, the guy was a machine at the lower weights and I just feel h2h he is a higher caliber fighter than canzoneri IMO

H2H I'd take Chavez, but would be good to see though.

Like I said in my first post Canzoneri was one of the original "P4P" fighters.

Chavez of course was P4P #1 aswell.

Cool fantasy fight.