Vitali Klitschkos early opponents.

[Mugwump]

but there is a difference between these two scenerios: Vitali tried to take lewis out and couldn't, lewis never really went after holyfield to take him out.

One of my lasting memories of that fight was an incredulous Manny hopping up and down with comical rage each interval, veins bulging out of his neck and drenching Lennox with spittle in-between roaring "Get this bum out of here!".

But what was REALLY making him mad was Lennox's (admittedly annoying) patented look of serene (almost smug) detachment - as if this were nothing more taxing than a boat trip down a meandering river on a lazy summer afternoon.

You could almost hear Lennox thinking "Go away you silly little man."

No one made Lewis do anything he didn't want to.

[billeau2]

One of my lasting memories of that fight was an incredulous Manny hopping up and down with comical rage each interval, veins bulging out of his neck and drenching Lennox with spittle in-between roaring "Get this bum out of here!".

But what was REALLY making him mad was Lennox's (admittedly annoying) patented look of serene (almost smug) detachment - as if this were nothing more taxing than a boat trip down a meandering river on a lazy summer afternoon.

You could almost hear Lennox thinking "Go away you silly little man."

No one made Lewis do anything he didn't want to.

Lewis could indeed be stubborn. he also had measures of exatitude that were unique by boxing standards. he trained very differently for different fighters and did not make adjustments....according to him at least. After the mercer fight he said that he trained wrong for Mercer. He said it so matter of factly that I think it had to be true! Chess players often don't do "on the fly."

And so it is with big heavyweights and the fundamental laws of the universe...the tendency to stay in a place and not be jilted by anything less than an opposing force of greater conceite and nothing less would stop the inertia of lewis' mind nor body! I mean really...did he have to slug it out with Vitali? He may well have had too, he was certainly in bad physical condition to start that fight, but I have a hard time believing he could not of just won that fight on his jab and talents without having to mix it up so much.

[IronDanHamza]

It is very ironic that Vitali does in fact get short shift when compared to his brother. I think he moves better, punches harder, has a better chin and is tougher than Vlad. I think he is better period.

But when we talk about Lewis we can see exactly where the Klitschko fantasy crashed down to reality. As said in this thread....Vitali who probably punches harder than his brother, could not take Lewis out. Thats really the bottom line regarding that fight....Holyfield may have said it best when he got that gift draw against lewis. His comment was that if lewis was such a champ he should have knocked him out when he had a chance and nevr left it to the judges.

but there is a difference between these two scenerios: Vitali tried to take lewis out and couldn't, lewis never really went after holyfield to take him out.

Can't see any way how he pic he's harder than Wlad.

From what I can see Wlad punches much harder and it's clear.

Only thing I see Vitali having better than Wlad is his chin.

[Weltschmerz]

Can't see any way how he pic he's harder than Wlad.

From what I can see Wlad punches much harder and it's clear.

Only thing I see Vitali having better than Wlad is his chin.

Vladimir is the harder puncher, one of the hardest ever in fact.

But as someone else said, Vitali is the natural born fighter, Vlad said in an interview that he had to 'learn' to be a fighter himself, but that Vitali was born with a fighting instinct. Vitali was a kickboxing champion too before becoming a pro boxer.

Vitali is the meaner, more menacing brother. Vladimir has never even been in a fight outside the ring. He is the technical boxer, Vitali is awkward, he doesn't even fight much like Vlad. He isn't afraid to brawl either, as we saw with Lennox.

[beez721]

Vladimir is the harder puncher, one of the hardest ever in fact.

But as someone else said, Vitali is the natural born fighter, Vlad said in an interview that he had to 'learn' to be a fighter himself, but that Vitali was born with a fighting instinct. Vitali was a kickboxing champion too before becoming a pro boxer.

Vitali is the meaner, more menacing brother. Vladimir has never even been in a fight outside the ring. He is the technical boxer, Vitali is awkward, he doesn't even fight much like Vlad. He isn't afraid to brawl either, as we saw with Lennox.

yea,,,vitali is much tougher and his height and awkwardness made him very tough to hit with more than one punch at a time. wlad is a much much better puncher tho. he throws with full leverage and has more speed. h2h vitali may have a slight edge but ive always liked wlad better. im a big fan of power

[Weltschmerz]

yea,,,vitali is much tougher and his height and awkwardness made him very tough to hit with more than one punch at a time. wlad is a much much better puncher tho. he throws with full leverage and has more speed. h2h vitali may have a slight edge but ive always liked wlad better. im a big fan of power

The problem I have with Vlad is all this grabbing and leaning. He doesn't need to do it, he could easily take these guys out without using illegal tactics. Vitali never fought that way.

[billeau2]

Can't see any way how he pic he's harder than Wlad.

From what I can see Wlad punches much harder and it's clear.

Only thing I see Vitali having better than Wlad is his chin.

I don't know how one could make that determination. But if we look at the Peter fight, a common opponent, its clear that no definitive data was extracted regarding the harder hitter. How can one say tht Vlad hits harder than Vitalie? You can't use Sanders as a common opponent control because the results varied considerably.

[billeau2]

I don't get it guys.....I mean just because Vlad is faster does not make him a bigger puncher. Shavers was slow, but i would rather get hit by a faster punching heavyweight. Both vitali and his bro have a similar KO percentage, and both guys have basically fought similar comp.

I just don't see a basis for making such determinations.

[beez721]

I don't get it guys.....I mean just because Vlad is faster does not make him a bigger puncher. Shavers was slow, but i would rather get hit by a faster punching heavyweight. Both vitali and his bro have a similar KO percentage, and both guys have basically fought similar comp.

I just don't see a basis for making such determinations.

I think you can just tell that wlad is the harder puncher by the way he follows through and punches through the target. I remember chris byrd and phil jackson stating that wlad hit much harder. kayo ratio can be misleading. most of vitali's kayos came in the later rounds from an accumlative effect. wlad has put guys on there butts with one shot much more often than vitali. I think its clear that wlad is the much bigger one punch guy

[IronDanHamza]

I don't know how one could make that determination. But if we look at the Peter fight, a common opponent, its clear that no definitive data was extracted regarding the harder hitter. How can one say tht Vlad hits harder than Vitalie? You can't use Sanders as a common opponent control because the results varied considerably.

Well, what about Byrd as a common opponent?

Wlad is just much sharper, much more explosive, knocked way more fighters out with a single shot and better opponents than Vitali fought aswell.