Prime Ali vs Prime Marciano: Who wins?

[Elroy The Great]

Walcott was at his best and better when he was champ then when he was younger. Charles had knocked out Satterfield, Layne, and Wallace all in the last year before he fought the rock. Moore had lost twice in the last 7 years against top competition. One loss of which he was well ahead on the scorecards. Definitley not a beat fighter.

Boxing isn't black and white. You have to look at things on a case by case basis. One guy could be past prime at 32 whereas another guy could still be prime at 34.

walcoot retired IMMEDIATELY after fighting rocky. why is that ? his w/l % was mediocre.

again, geezard was almost 100 fights into his career and it got worse as he continued.

meh, moore beat those he was supposed to beat and lost to the others.

rockys resume would be called out for what it is if he wasnt white.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

walcoot retired IMMEDIATELY after fighting rocky. why is that ? his w/l % was mediocre.

again, geezard was almost 100 fights into his career and it got worse as he continued.

meh, moore beat those he was supposed to beat and lost to the others.

rockys resume would be called out for what it is if he wasnt white.

You can't go off of boxrec stats and Walcott had already accomplished enough.

You don't address what I said about Charles. You're supposed to judge a fighter by his last fight before he fought the guy not what he does after.

Anyway you cut it Moore only lost twice in the last 7 years. Definitely not a beat fighter.

You're a ****ing racist gtfoh.

[Elroy The Great]

You can't go off of boxrec stats and Walcott had already accomplished enough.

You don't address what I said about Charles. You're supposed to judge a fighter by his last fight before he fought the guy not what he does after.

Anyway you cut it Moore only lost twice in the last 7 years. Definitely not a beat fighter.

You're a ****ing racist gtfoh.

1) walcoot had a mediocre w/l % and retired immediately after, according to you, he hit his prime.

2) geezards trajectory immediately after losing to rocky says everything.

3) look at who moore the compiler fought during that winning streak. and still, hes far removed from being prime !!!!!

4) im italian and irish, you mope. im also able to see shlt as it is and not be a bumbling fake fight fan who rah rahs a guys skin complexion or his nationality.

ali/clay humbles rocky anyway you cut it....unless you thrive off of simulated fights.

laters.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

1) walcoot had a mediocre w/l % and retired immediately after, according to you, he hit his prime.

2) geezards trajectory immediately after losing to rocky says everything.

3) look at who moore the compiler fought during that winning streak. and still, hes far removed from being prime !!!!!

4) im italian and irish, you mope. im also able to see shlt as it is and not be a bumbling fake fight fan who rah rahs a guys skin complexion or his nationality.

ali/clay humbles rocky anyway you cut it....unless you thrive off of simulated fights.

laters.

Walcott was better in his older years than younger years. If you want to deny that fact then go ahead it only makes you look dumb.

Rocky ruined Charles.

Bobo Olson, Nino Valdes, Joey Maxim, Harold Johnson, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield almost all multiple times. These guys were bums?

[The Old LefHook]

What? Now there are no white racists around? SemiGreat sounds like a semi great halfwit. What do you mean Rocky's record would be called out if he were not white, fool? Rocky's record is called out each and every day by posters around the world. It is a normal activity to call Rocky out on his record. So you are simply a **** disturber practicing to stir up a hornet's nest of votes for Clinton, I suppose. 'Dem po' white men.

[Canelo and GGG]

Ali would school Rocky 12 raunds Then jump in to the ring again and box his ears of and do it again and again .He would probably KO a blown up LHW ,no contest ,when i watch Rocky fights i cant see anything that could be dangerous for Ali, Rocky said that he was immpressed by Jersey Joe movment well Ali was much better and bigger.Frazier would sloughter Marciano useing his 25lbs advantage.

[LoadedWraps]

Ali would school Rocky 12 raunds Then jump in to the ring again and box his ears of and do it again and again .He would probably KO a blown up LHW ,no contest ,when i watch Rocky fights i cant see anything that could be dangerous for Ali, Rocky said that he was immpressed by Jersey Joe movment well Ali was much better and bigger.Frazier would sloughter Marciano useing his 25lbs advantage.

Marciano was a very underrated boxer, he was unconventional and awkward but had decent defense, and could hit you from any angle. Ali wouldn't be able to make Rocky respect him and would get bullied.

[Granath]

Marciano was a very underrated boxer, he was unconventional and awkward but had decent defense, and could hit you from any angle. Ali wouldn't be able to make Rocky respect him and would get bullied.

I agree with the first part - Marciano is totally underrated. For a guy who was too small with short arms and no talent he sure won a lot of fights.

I disagree with the second part - Ali was just too fast and is the nightmare matchup for Marciano because of his legendary chin. Ali is going to pick Rocky apart most of the fight. Jab, jab, jab and he has enough power to make Rocky respect him. No one bullied Ali and Rocky wouldn't either.

If Marciano is lucky he'll catch Ali with one of those hooks. But unless it's absolutely perfect - like the Wolcott shot - Ali is going to take it and move. He took Foreman, Frazier and Shaver's best shots and kept on moving. As much as I love the Brockton Bomber (or Blockbuster, whichever you prefer), he can't take Ali out with one punch and he's not going to get many bites at that apple because he's not fast enough.

IMO, the most likely scenario is that Ali carves up Marciano's face enough that the fight is stopped by cuts somewhere around the 9th. Rock goes out on his feet but he goes out.

[HOUDINI563]

Many years ago I had the opinion that Marciano would have no chance vs Ali. Today I actually feel it’s a pickum fight. Rocky was Frazier’s superior with two handed KO power along with a more diverse defense. If Frazier gave Ali hell so would Rockyx2. I see no way Marciano stops Ali but this would be an attrition battle. Ali gains most early rounds and Marciano comes on mid fight closing quickly. If I had to choose it’s Ali by a narrow decision over 15 rounds.

[Granath]

Many years ago I had the opinion that Marciano would have no chance vs Ali. Today I actually feel it’s a pickum fight. Rocky was Frazier’s superior with two handed KO power along with a more diverse defense. If Frazier gave Ali hell so would Rockyx2. I see no way Marciano stops Ali but this would be an attrition battle. Ali gains most early rounds and Marciano comes on mid fight closing quickly. If I had to choose it’s Ali by a narrow decision over 15 rounds.

Here's why I think Ali probably carves up Rocky.

Wolcott was beating Marciano going into 13. In fact Wolcott was so far ahead that Marciano needed KO to win. He got it in 13 against the 37 year old Wolcott but until then Wolcott put on a clinic against Rock.

Charles dominated the first few rounds in his first match, boxing very effectively. Later on he wore down at 34 years old and was KO'd.

Joe Louis was up on the cards until he was KO'd I believe (though nostalgia may have had something to do with that). He was 37 and long past his prime.

Archie Moore even floored Rocky. He was 39. Most observers have that fight pretty even until the 8th.

This isn't a knock against Rocky - he came back and won against all of these guys. He beat the guys standing in front of him. But Ali was bigger, faster and far better than any of these guys. If these past-their-primes could give Rocky trouble on the cards, what would a prime Ali do to him? Especially if we're using modern boxing rules (12 rounds) I just can't see Rocky coming anywhere close to beating Ali unless he hits him with that perfect punch. 15? That gives Marciano 3 more rounds to catch Ali. But Ali was always good in the last few rounds and won a lot of fights in those championship rounds. So I still don't see it.