Most skillful fighter in boxing history? Who is he?

[SplitSecond]

Ummm, no.
Roy Jones was unable to decisively win a fight (in fact, getting ko'ed repeatedly), after John Ruiz. If he were truly that skilled fundamentally, imo, he would've been able to. He was otherworldy athletically though...

he doesn't have a chin, can't help it, he's a physical monster in different aspects where others like ali and robinson had physical attributes lending to iron chins

[Layzie Kidd]

he doesn't have a chin, can't help it, he's a physical monster in different aspects where others like ali and robinson had physical attributes lending to iron chins

Roy Jones also does a lot of things 'wrong' because he can get away with it, due to speed and reaction. So he isnt that skilled per se in my opinion.

[SplitSecond]

Roy Jones also does a lot of things 'wrong' because he can get away with it, due to speed and reaction. So he isnt that skilled per se in my opinion.

seperating talent and skills is ******ed, talent comes in way too many forms, one guy could be incredibly talented in reading people and everyone would consider him super skilled while the guy with the visible talent is considered not skilled, it's bullsht

bums need to learn to throw a punch straight and turn over their fists, once mastered now they have a skill
a guy with the talent who should be considered simply born with those skills has it mastered the first time he throws, but no, just naturally talented, actually has no skills

what kind of bullsht? taking punishments is a talent, some people are very bone dense, yet skinny and will fight at a lower weight picking on midgets(in comparison), some people have naturally powerful hearts that can keep them ticking all they long, some guys are naturally strong as ***, others just people smart and will read you like a book, even rolling a punch, knowing how to take a shot, some people just know how to do that stuff, even if you think he learnt it in the gym, i bet you if he's real good with it it was there already innate

alot of this sht is seen in day one of sparring(easy sparring usually where you can let the newbie breathe), great fighters are born, then they are refined, you are born with the skills, now you need to get in shape to sharpen everything up, practice is just sharpening your already natural skills, experience gives you trail and error to better learn how to apply your skills

so that's my belief, roy jones, the most skilled fighter ever

if you aren't born with any special talent that will help in boxing, then you wont be a good boxer as you should be able to ascertain from the bums that seem to just stay bums their entire lives, alot in even real good shape, but they just can't get their skills to a level that would matter regardless of how much they practice

[StarshipTrooper]

Great picture, mate. a nice reminder that Tunney was all class. that's very easy to forget when you have loudmouth, trashy, rogues like Mayweather dominating the headlines. tunney was an intellectual man who led a life far different from most sportsmen.


tunney's son here.






tunney was also on of the few prominent americans who stood up to clay in the 60's by putting him in his place. most were in fear of the politically correct backlash from hippies and ********. not tunney who sent this telegram to ali: "You have disgraced your title and the American flag and the principles for which it stands. Apologize for your unpatriotic remark or you'll be barred from the ring." you have to love this kind of classic straight shooting from gene tunney.

Another alt, another ignore.....

[Bennyhill]

Another alt, another ignore.....

Im sorry. Did I insult one of your favourite apes? if that's your comeback for tunney being the best I feel for you.

[Layzie Kidd]

seperating talent and skills is ******ed, talent comes in way too many forms, one guy could be incredibly talented in reading people and everyone would consider him super skilled while the guy with the visible talent is considered not skilled, it's bullsht

bums need to learn to throw a punch straight and turn over their fists, once mastered now they have a skill
a guy with the talent who should be considered simply born with those skills has it mastered the first time he throws, but no, just naturally talented, actually has no skills

what kind of bullsht? taking punishments is a talent, some people are very bone dense, yet skinny and will fight at a lower weight picking on midgets(in comparison), some people have naturally powerful hearts that can keep them ticking all they long, some guys are naturally strong as ***, others just people smart and will read you like a book, even rolling a punch, knowing how to take a shot, some people just know how to do that stuff, even if you think he learnt it in the gym, i bet you if he's real good with it it was there already innate

alot of this sht is seen in day one of sparring(easy sparring usually where you can let the newbie breathe), great fighters are born, then they are refined, you are born with the skills, now you need to get in shape to sharpen everything up, practice is just sharpening your already natural skills, experience gives you trail and error to better learn how to apply your skills

so that's my belief, roy jones, the most skilled fighter ever

if you aren't born with any special talent that will help in boxing, then you wont be a good boxer as you should be able to ascertain from the bums that seem to just stay bums their entire lives, alot in even real good shape, but they just dont have the skills no matter how much they practice

Well thats what skill is, doing things 'right'. Because you may be talented or "gifted" in one area, doesn't mean you have to do things wrong in another area and completely ignore it. You have to have the correct form, which gives a more strategic approach, so when it comes down to it you do not rely entirely on one thing.

Certainly you might get away with that, but that doesnt mean youre skilled.

Just like you can have talent and lacking technical skill, you can have talent and technical high skill. Aka, Joe Louis. And certainly Roy Jones isnt as good as Joe Louis, Robinson, or Pep. This is skill were talking about here. And skill doesnt mean you lack a talent.

[Scott9945]

Im sorry. Did I insult one of your favourite apes? if that's your comeback for tunney being the best I feel for you.

I'm really looking forward to you being banned.

[SplitSecond]

Well thats what skill is, doing things 'right'. Because you may be talented or "gifted" in one area, doesn't mean you have to do things wrong in another area and completely ignore it. You have to have the correct form, which gives a more strategic approach, so when it comes down to it you do not rely entirely on one thing.

Certainly you might get away with that, but that doesnt mean youre skilled.

Just like you can have talent and lacking technical skill, you can have talent and technical high skill. Aka, Joe Louis. And certainly Roy Jones isnt as good as Joe Louis, Robinson, or Pep. This is skill were talking about here. And skill doesnt mean you lack a talent.

lol and what determines what is "right"? most of those fundamental sht is for people lacking much natural skill, it's the universal skills, everyone can put their hands up, not everyone can dodge a punch on reflex

what makes keeping your hands up any better than weaving your head and using your feet? is the shoulder roll more in the "talent" category as oppossed to the "skill" category

most of the greatest boxers had their lead hand by their waist, most of the greatest boxers were incredibly fast, hit very hard etc

roy jones was born as the most skillful boxer i have ever seen, ray robinsons defense was weak, he wasn't that clever a boxer but he's very strong, very fast, a couple of those combinations and sharp punches and you're hurting, i've watched so much of him and he is not as good as roy jones atg status aside, all he has over roy is chin(and in roy's prime his chin really wasn't bad at all)

roy jones trumps him in every other category same as he trumps just about every other fighter

[Layzie Kidd]

lol and what determines what is "right"? most of those fundamental sht is for people lacking much natural skill, it's the universal skills, everyone can put their hands up, not everyone can dodge a punch on reflex

what makes keeping your hands up any better than weaving your head and using your feet? is the shoulder roll more in the "talent" category as oppossed to the "skill" category

most of the greatest boxers had their lead hand by their waist, most of the greatest boxers were incredibly fast, hit very hard etc

roy jones was born as the most skillful boxer i have ever seen, ray robinsons defense was weak, he wasn't that clever a boxer but he's very strong, very fast, a couple of those combinations and sharp punches and you're hurting, i've watched so much of him and he is not as good as roy jones atg status aside, all he has over roy is chin(and in roy's prime his chin really wasn't bad at all)

roy jones trumps him in every other category as trumps just about every other fighter

I dont think you understand what skill is.

Having a good reaction/speed that you depend on it rather than proper skill, that you just end up throwing your body in any direction without form and being off balance isnt a skill. Sure can get away with it because of your physical attribute like speed. But thats relying on physical attribute rather than form/strategy. If you have the proper skill/form of moving your head or blocking, making use of your good reaction than thats skill.



If you think Roy Jones is more skilled/better than Robinson or Louis, and Pep, you've gotta be smoking something hard. Nut hugging to the max.

[Scott9945]

lol and what determines what is "right"? most of those fundamental sht is for people lacking much natural skill, it's the universal skills, everyone can put their hands up, not everyone can dodge a punch on reflex

what makes keeping your hands up any better than weaving your head and using your feet? is the shoulder roll more in the "talent" category as oppossed to the "skill" category

most of the greatest boxers had their lead hand by their waist, most of the greatest boxers were incredibly fast, hit very hard etc

roy jones was born as the most skillful boxer i have ever seen, ray robinsons defense was weak, he wasn't that clever a boxer but he's very strong, very fast, a couple of those combinations and sharp punches and you're hurting, i've watched so much of him and he is not as good as roy jones atg status aside, all he has over roy is chin(and in roy's prime his chin really wasn't bad at all)

roy jones trumps him in every other category same as he trumps just about every other fighter

Really? Because skills are learned and acquired. Talent is something you are born with. And you clearly can't distinguish the difference.