Most skillful fighter in boxing history? Who is he?

[VG_Addict]

Jones got KTFO by Tarver in the second fight. Tell me again how he didn't heavily rely on his speed and reflexes.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Why do you think I'm pinning his Greatness solely on Ruiz? You're choosing what you want to read based on your agenda.

You said "He had no meaningful wins after his abilities slipped" which was when he cut all the weight back down for the 175 lb title fight, which he won.

I simply answered your statement because it was absurd.

If that's not "meaningful" then you really showed your ass with some sort of agenda, despite you "liking" Roy Jones.

Dude, whatever,,, You claim that roy is the most skilled fighter ever,, I contend he was just an amazing athlete and once his skills slipped he was toast...
Robinson, duran, hearns, floyd, hopkins, moore, charles, etc have all slipped, but were able to compete at a high level because they had good fundamental skill set, while roy relied on athletic ability and explosiveness.. Once he was no longer in his prime, he fell off a cliff

People always wanna claim that roy was affected by the weight loss for the tarver fight, but what about the other 8 fights he has lost by then, and not one of his losses were competitive,,,
But if you still think he is the #1 most skilled guy ever, then more power to you

[VG_Addict]

Why wouldn't I talk about prime Jones?

Prime Jones is the best I've seen. That's like me taking points off of Robinson for losing to Tiger Jones and all of the other lesser guys he lost to despite his GOAT resume.

The discussion isn't about Jones being prime. It's about your claim that Jones was the most skilled fighter ever. And seeing as he sharply declined once his speed and reflexes faded, he clearly wasn't.

[Holywarrior]

Jones got KTFO by Tarver in the second fight. Tell me again how he didn't heavily rely on his speed and reflexes.

Fighters get knocked out.

Ezzard Charles was drubbed all over the ring and knocked down 8 times in one fight. Let's not count that though.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Why wouldn't I talk about prime Jones?

Prime Jones is the best I've seen. That's like me taking points off of Robinson for losing to Tiger Jones and all of the other lesser guys he lost to despite his GOAT resume.

And prime roy jones never used fundamental skills,,, he used his freak of nature speed, reflexes and explosiveness to destroy guys.. He had a very high ring IQ, but never had the top level skills to compete at a high level once his athletic gifts started to fade....

[Holywarrior]

Dude, whatever,,, You claim that roy is the most skilled fighter ever,, I contend he was just an amazing athlete and once his skills slipped he was toast...
Robinson, duran, hearns, floyd, hopkins, moore, charles, etc have all slipped, but were able to compete at a high level because they had good fundamental skill set, while roy relied on athletic ability and explosiveness.. Once he was no longer in his prime, he fell off a cliff

People always wanna claim that roy was affected by the weight loss for the tarver fight, but what about the other 8 fights he has lost by then, and not one of his losses were competitive,,,
But if you still think he is the #1 most skilled guy ever, then more power to you

More power to you for holding on to that Holyfield claim. Where do you claim Holyfield's athletic ability slipped?

Jones was 35/36 when he struggled with Tarver cutting almost 3 weight classes.

And he still won his title back, and hardly lost a round before that.

[Holywarrior]

And prime roy jones never used fundamental skills,,, he used his freak of nature speed, reflexes and explosiveness to destroy guys.. He had a very high ring IQ, but never had the top level skills to compete at a high level once his athletic gifts started to fade....

Athletic gifts? Just because his footwork and counterpunching were heads and shoulders above the rest doesn't mean he was an athletic freak. He just knew how to move around the ring and capitalize.

You're simplifying boxing way too much. I can tell you never put on a pair of gloves in your life in a real bout.

[VG_Addict]

Fighters get knocked out.

Ezzard Charles was drubbed all over the ring and knocked down 8 times in one fight. Let's not count that though.

The point is that Ezzard Charles didn't get knocked out once his speed and reflexes faded. Do you seriously not understand?

And you still haven't given any proof of Jones having great technical skills. Notice I said technical skills, not attributes. Speed and reflexes are attributes.

[Holywarrior]

The point is that Ezzard Charles didn't get knocked out once his speed and reflexes faded. Do you seriously not understand?

And you still haven't given any proof of Jones having great technical skills. Notice I said technical skills, not attributes. Speed and reflexes are attributes.

[VG_Addict]

Athletic gifts? Just because his footwork and counterpunching were heads and shoulders above the rest doesn't mean he was an athletic freak. He just knew how to move around the ring and capitalize.

You're simplifying boxing way too much. I can tell you never put on a pair of gloves in your life in a real bout.

Did you seriously just say Roy Jones wasn't an athletic freak? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.