Vitali

[Weltschmerz]

I was asking, which achievements of Vitali do you think is great and I will explain why some of Ali's achievements are clearly greater.

See my OP. Then respond.

[Rip Chudd]

Fuck me. Why is Ali greater than Vitali?

Is this even a serious question? Nah, can't be.

You are doing a masterful troll job, i'll give you that.

[Weltschmerz]

Is this even a serious question? Nah, can't be.

You are doing a masterful troll job, i'll give you that.

Go on, give a proper fucking counter argument?

[LacedUp]

See my OP. Then respond.

Well what you are saying aren't really pointing to any great achievement of his. You mention some things like he's 3 time heavyweight champion. He's won some belts 3 times, but has really only been the champion for one fight - but didn't even beat the champion. Against the might Danny Williams. He won the belt against Corrie Sanders - Who? some might ask.

He might have a high KO % - but who has he knocked out? Sam Peter? Corrie Sanders? Chris Arreola? None of these fighters were ever considered anything but solid fighters for their era. they were never elite, nor have they ever been thought of as elite.

All three had weight problems when fighting Vitali as well - none came into the fight in shape.

He's had a lot of defenses as well. However, he only has 6 top 10 victories in his whole career. How is that great?

Now, let's compare to Muhammad Ali.

As a 22 year old he beat the legitimate, genuine heavyweight champion of the world. The guy people thought nobody could hurt or beat. People thought he was inhumane. Liston was considered the best heavyweight since Marciano and was destroying everyone and had been doing so for years. Ali was an 8-1 underdog, yet still won. When has Vitali overcome such hard odds? Ali beat Liston again in a rematch, though he was still a 5-1 underdog for that fight.

He went on to beat WBA champion Earnie Terrel, the #1 contender Zora Folley, former champion Floyd Patterson, top 5 Cleveland Williams.

After he came back, he took a fight against a prime Joe Frazier too early. He lost a close decision, but beat him in a rematch. Then goes on to beat the guy who bounced Frazier around like a basketball and had finished Ken Norton in a couple of rounds. Probably the biggest upset in heavyweight history, in my eyes probably bigger than the Liston fight - albeit very comparable. Probably the most memorable heavyweight fight of all times.

He then goes on to fight a decider with Frazier, who was slightly passed it, but not as much as Ali thought. It was the greatest fight of all times - a true test of two mens heart and courage. They fought in 40 degrees for 14 rounds and it was war every round.

After manila, when he should have quit, he went on to make some 'easy' defenses against, amongst others, Earnie Shavers and Ken Norton! Shavers was stronger than Foreman and Liston! and punched harder.

He lost to Spinks when he was way past his sell by date but won the rematch quite clearly and won the legitimate heavyweight championship 3 times. Has 19 defenses of his title and fought some of the greatest fighters of all times, and was in the greatest fights. He was the underdog so many times, yet still doesn't have a losing record to anyone other than Holmes and Berbick when he was really too old, had parkinson's and fought for money.

And that's just the in ring achievements.

[Weltschmerz]

Well what you are saying aren't really pointing to any great achievement of his. You mention some things like he's 3 time heavyweight champion. He's won some belts 3 times, but has really only been the champion for one fight - but didn't even beat the champion. Against the might Danny Williams. He won the belt against Corrie Sanders - Who? some might ask.

He might have a high KO % - but who has he knocked out? Sam Peter? Corrie Sanders? Chris Arreola? None of these fighters were ever considered anything but solid fighters for their era. they were never elite, nor have they ever been thought of as elite.

All three had weight problems when fighting Vitali as well - none came into the fight in shape.

He's had a lot of defenses as well. However, he only has 6 top 10 victories in his whole career. How is that great?

Now, let's compare to Muhammad Ali.

As a 22 year old he beat the legitimate, genuine heavyweight champion of the world. The guy people thought nobody could hurt or beat. People thought he was inhumane. Liston was considered the best heavyweight since Marciano and was destroying everyone and had been doing so for years. Ali was an 8-1 underdog, yet still won. When has Vitali overcome such hard odds? Ali beat Liston again in a rematch, though he was still a 5-1 underdog for that fight.

He went on to beat WBA champion Earnie Terrel, the #1 contender Zora Folley, former champion Floyd Patterson, top 5 Cleveland Williams.

After he came back, he took a fight against a prime Joe Frazier too early. He lost a close decision, but beat him in a rematch. Then goes on to beat the guy who bounced Frazier around like a basketball and had finished Ken Norton in a couple of rounds. Probably the biggest upset in heavyweight history, in my eyes probably bigger than the Liston fight - albeit very comparable. Probably the most memorable heavyweight fight of all times.

He then goes on to fight a decider with Frazier, who was slightly passed it, but not as much as Ali thought. It was the greatest fight of all times - a true test of two mens heart and courage. They fought in 40 degrees for 14 rounds and it was war every round.

After manila, when he should have quit, he went on to make some 'easy' defenses against, amongst others, Earnie Shavers and Ken Norton! Shavers was stronger than Foreman and Liston! and punched harder.

He lost to Spinks when he was way past his sell by date but won the rematch quite clearly and won the legitimate heavyweight championship 3 times. Has 19 defenses of his title and fought some of the greatest fighters of all times, and was in the greatest fights. He was the underdog so many times, yet still doesn't have a losing record to anyone other than Holmes and Berbick when he was really too old, had parkinson's and fought for money.

And that's just the in ring achievements.

Vitali did so much more valuable things outside the ring.

Appreciate your 'recap' of Ali's career, and man, wasn't he just fighting puppies? It's a sweet resume he has himself there--- but compared to the Klitschkos, he still gets absolutely flattened... sorry andy boy. Stick to your haye boy fanboyism ;-)

[LacedUp]

Vitali did so much more valuable things outside the ring.

Appreciate your 'recap' of Ali's career, and man, wasn't he just fighting puppies? It's a sweet resume he has himself there--- but compared to the Klitschkos, he still gets absolutely flattened... sorry andy boy. Stick to your haye boy fanboyism ;-)

ugh... to think I actually took the time to write something sensible to you.

You just don't know anything about boxing and I understand why every other poster on this forum thinks you're an absolute idiot.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I cant believe someone actually thinks Vitali>>>ali,,,,,

SMH,,, both have done alot outside the ring, but ali blows him away in boxing

[Rip Chudd]

Go on, give a proper fucking counter argument?

No need, you seem incapable of understanding anything about great fighters. You'd much rather live on what you think may happen in fantasy match-ups. Carry on.

[JAB5239]

Vitali will be rightfully remembered as a talented heavyweight who almost never challenged himself by fighting quality opposition and who was stopped by the two best fighters he faced.

This right here...end thread.

[JAB5239]

No, there's been plenty of bad mess in that regard

Morales-Maidana, Rahman-Holyfield, Gatti-Gomez, Malignaggi-Cotto, Ali-Norton, etc.

The Lewis fight was never, and will never be a true defeat. Vitali wanted and was ready to fight on, and he would have won.

People actually know what they're talking about in this section, and this BS isn't gonna fly.