i hear a bunch of bull**** all over this post, i stopped reading all the posts after the first 10 or so.
that punch wasnt that bad, the guy he knocked out was obviously chinny. what punch was he out with anyway? its a chopping right hook with NO followthrough and he doesnt snap it back. basicly it was a clubbing shot, which isnt even the most powerful way to punch. plus the guy is moving into the punch, he takes it flush, that knockout isnt that big a deal.
no way he hits harder than tyson, thats just ******ed to say.
tyson DID lift people off the mat, zouski, rud****, and thomas.
didnt shavers knock a guy out with his shoulder? that is, he threw a cross at a guy who was peek a booing behind his shoulder. the punch hit the shoulder the guys head was ducking behind and popped the shoulder into the chin, took him out.
didnt sonny liston straighten out the s-hooks on the heavy bag swivels with regularity?
and julian jackson is the hardest hitter of all time? please
eddie richardson and this guy whose last name was young. with richardson it was a frazier left hook and with young it was an uppercut and he literally flew like 3 feet in the air
No one is saying it's the best punch Frazier threw in his life but that doesn't mean it wasn't a goddamn good punch. This is a ****** point to argue because it was a very good punch and would have knocked most heavyweights down or out. It was also thrown late in the fight when Ali was tired. Ali going down from that punch is no knock on his chin and being dropped by Frazier after 14 grueling rounds is far less embarassing than being staggered by Ron Stander.
The more important point here is that Ali had a better chin than Frazier. Frazier was a great fighter but his chin just wasn't the best. What he had was unbelievable willpower; his body would probably stand up on it's own accord if Foreman had decapitated him with an uppercut, just out of instinct.
never said it wasn't a good punch. it just wasn't as hard as some people thought.
ali said shavers hit harder than foreman and holmes said shavers hit harder than tyson.
(as a sidenote holmes said when shavers KDed him he got up fast because the punch was so unlike anything he has been hit by until then AND AFTERWARDS that the punch waked him up.
of course foreman, liston, louis, tyson hit harder than lower weight fighters but p4p there are some very interesting punchers: hearns, jackson, g-man, bazooka gomez, sandy saddler, ray robinson (knocked ppl out moving back), and holy **** I was forgetting bob foster.
Julian Jackson is the hardest puncher, lb4lb, I have ever seen.
He knocked world-class oppostion unconscious with a single blow, on several occasions.
He could be badly losing a fight, & suddenly end it with one shot.
Joe Louis, however, is the best puncher ever. This means, he was the most proficient & efficient powerhitter the game has ever seen.
the guy who julian was fighting was a dodger, he never stopped moving throughout the fight and julian was getting checked by the doc regulary, that was the last round he was able to fight said the doc, and the koed guy sorta knew this and eased up with his moving,thus ending up on the tip of julians right hand. watch the whole fight, youll see!
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