Greatest knockout puncher ever

[Yogi]

once again, you've amazed me with your boxing knowledge! well done!

Are you trying to suck up to me a little bit, Butterfly?

[Heckler]

i'm not saying that more power makes you a better boxer, but if he was as powerful as you say, then when people mention heavy hitters and such, henry cooper would come to mind as well, wouldn't he? and again, the punch frazier floored ali with was not that powerful, frazier hit him with harder shots in that fight, ali said it, and frazier said it. ali said that he was tired and the next big shot that hit him he would have went down. frazier said it was a pretty good shot, but, "i hit him with better punches than that on that night." (i don't know if thats exactly how he quoted it, but it was something to that effect.) and i would rather believe the person who felt the punch (ali) and the person who threw the punch (frazier) than you who just listened to biased boxing historians on the web and on t.v.

It was POWERFUL, and its hilarious listening to you talking about BIASED historians considering your the most slanted person i have ever come across in regard to boxing arguments. The boxing historians i take note of aren't blinded by their love for particular boxers like you often are and analyze fights fairly. That punch was POWERFUL, it was thrown with beautiful technique and power results from this.

[butterfly1964]

It was POWERFUL, and its hilarious listening to you talking about BIASED historians considering your the most slanted person i have ever come across in regard to boxing arguments. The boxing historians i take note of aren't blinded by their love for particular boxers like you often are and analyze fights fairly. That punch was POWERFUL, it was thrown with beautiful technique and power results from this.

this is amazing, so you deny that ali and frazier said this and still say that punch was that hard, again ali said he was tired and the punch henry cooper hit him with was harder. and frazier said that he hit him with better shots in that fight than the one that floored ali.

[Heckler]

this is amazing, so you deny that ali and frazier said this and still say that punch was that hard, again ali said he was tired and the punch henry cooper hit him with was harder. and frazier said that he hit him with better shots in that fight than the one that floored ali.

First i would have to take what you say as gospel... which i dont. Nothing that what Frazier or Ali said implies that it WASN'T A GOOD SHOT. Whether there were better shots thrown in that fight is subjective, whether that shot was a good or not... is not subjective... without a doubt it was a BRILLIANT shot, if you cant see this your ******ed. And please backup your 'quotes' with some evidence.

[butterfly1964]

First i would have to take what you say as gospel... which i dont. Nothing that what Frazier or Ali said implies that it WASN'T A GOOD SHOT. Whether there were better shots thrown in that fight is subjective, whether that shot was a good or not... is not subjective... without a doubt it was a BRILLIANT shot, if you cant see this your ******ed. And please backup your 'quotes' with some evidence.

read "smokin joe" and you would see that frazier said that.

[Kid Achilles]

No one is saying it's the best punch Frazier threw in his life but that doesn't mean it wasn't a goddamn good punch. This is a ****** point to argue because it was a very good punch and would have knocked most heavyweights down or out. It was also thrown late in the fight when Ali was tired. Ali going down from that punch is no knock on his chin and being dropped by Frazier after 14 grueling rounds is far less embarassing than being staggered by Ron Stander.

The more important point here is that Ali had a better chin than Frazier. Frazier was a great fighter but his chin just wasn't the best. What he had was unbelievable willpower; his body would probably stand up on it's own accord if Foreman had decapitated him with an uppercut, just out of instinct.

[Stiv Rex]

i hear a bunch of bull**** all over this post, i stopped reading all the posts after the first 10 or so.

that punch wasnt that bad, the guy he knocked out was obviously chinny. what punch was he out with anyway? its a chopping right hook with NO followthrough and he doesnt snap it back. basicly it was a clubbing shot, which isnt even the most powerful way to punch. plus the guy is moving into the punch, he takes it flush, that knockout isnt that big a deal.

no way he hits harder than tyson, thats just ******ed to say.

tyson DID lift people off the mat, zouski, rud****, and thomas.

didnt shavers knock a guy out with his shoulder? that is, he threw a cross at a guy who was peek a booing behind his shoulder. the punch hit the shoulder the guys head was ducking behind and popped the shoulder into the chin, took him out.

didnt sonny liston straighten out the s-hooks on the heavy bag swivels with regularity?

and julian jackson is the hardest hitter of all time? please

[Brassangel]

There were a lot of fighters who hit harder than that punch. Nonetheless, it was a good looking shot.

That was harder than anything Tyson threw...right...someone needs a diaper change when discussing Iron Mike.

[Heckler]

read "smokin joe" and you would see that frazier said that.

Where did you hear or read about Ali saying that the cooper shot was better then the frazier left hook?

[butterfly1964]

Where did you hear or read about Ali saying that the cooper shot was better then the frazier left hook?

I believe it was "Facing Ali" in the section on Henry Cooper.