Klitschko vs Povetkin ...

[Scott9945]

Yep, I stick to The Ring too.

Ring Magazine is owned by Golden Boy Promotions. How can you give it any credibility?

[Anthony342]

I don't. Lineal/Ring champs is all I recognize.

As do I. Same here, SBleeder. Those and undisputed champs only for me.

[Anthony342]

Because it's not as corrupt as the WBC, I guess and I haven't heard of an incident yet where a champion get a belt from The Ring he didn't deserve although, it's bound to happen if a promotional company owns it.

[Ben Bolt]

Why do the sanctioning bodies endure? Why do boxers pay the sanctioning fees? Surely the answer is that they do provide the service that boxers pay them for, the legitimacy of being a world champion.

To me, they become alphabet champions, not world champions. That isn’t to say I don’t respect the fighters. Anyone who dares to test his skills between the ropes has my support.

Ring Magazine is owned by Golden Boy Promotions. How can you give it any credibility?

The Ring, who ‘invented’ the rankings in the 1920s, has had high credibility and integrity for almost 100 years now (except for the ranking scandal in the 1970s when one corrupt employee dragged it through the mud). I assume the GBP are fully aware of what the name ‘The Ring’ stands for, and they would be very foolish if they started to experiment with it.

Well, our opinions differ. No big deal.
“As far as it is your opinion it is not wrong, what matters is that it is your opinion.” – Shrey Srivastava

[Humean]

To me, they become alphabet champions, not world champions. That isn’t to say I don’t respect the fighters. Anyone who dares to test his skills between the ropes has my support.

The sanctioning bodies don't stop people from having their own opinions of who the real champion is at whichever weight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ok, i will ask this in the history forum and hope to get some educated answers and not some crap from NSB..

Am i the only one that thought povetkin did alot better job than the scorecards showed,,

I had sasha winning rounds 1,3,4,10,12 and a final score of 114-109 for wlad,,,

Is that a horrible CJ ross type scorecard....

I thought the first and 3rd kds were legit, but thought the others were push downs by wlad..... I still scored them as kds because the ref did,,,

I just think that the first 6 rounds povetkin was a live dog, wlad took over in the middle rounds but tired late, but povetkin didnt throw his right hand enough, and wlad won fair and square,,,

[Humean]

Ok, i will ask this in the history forum and hope to get some educated answers and not some crap from NSB..

Am i the only one that thought povetkin did alot better job than the scorecards showed,,

I had sasha winning rounds 1,3,4,10,12 and a final score of 114-109 for wlad,,,

Is that a horrible CJ ross type scorecard....

I thought the first and 3rd kds were legit, but thought the others were push downs by wlad..... I still scored them as kds because the ref did,,,

I just think that the first 6 rounds povetkin was a live dog, wlad took over in the middle rounds but tired late, but povetkin didnt throw his right hand enough, and wlad won fair and square,,,

I can't comment on the legitimacy of the knockdowns because I haven't studied the replays on them, one or two may well have been pushes. I really didn't see Povetkin having ths success you think he had to win those rounds, I didn't give him one round. Thought he got under the jab and close competently, far better than most, but nothing much materialized from there in the way of clean punches. He had little success from the outside too, except for a couple of decent right hands. On my scorecard on all those rounds you gave for Povetkin, bar 12, I wrote that Klitschko won with the jab. I could have given Povetkin the 12th.

[soul_survivor]

Yep, I stick to The Ring too.

The Ring championship is not reliable anymore, it's corrupt and in the hands of GBP. I don't like that anymore, I use my own boxing knowledge and the fights I see to determine who is the best in the division. Right now there are only 3-4 guys who can be labeled as the best in any division imo, Wlad at heavy, Ward at SMW, Stevenson at LHW, Martinez at MW and Rigo and SBW.

Floyd may have a case at 147 but that's about it. I know a lot of these guys are ranked as Ring champs but their ranking are not always correct.

Also, in terms of heavyweight lineage, why do you think it stop at Lennox? Lewis vacated all his titles, Wlad and Vitali picked them up but Vitali went into retirement following an injury and it was Wlad who picked up the mantle. This isn't the first time, Marciano also vacated the belt and Patterson picked it up. Lineage doesn't always change hands when two champions face each other. Heck, Frazier in the late 60s is quite possibly the best example.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I can't comment on the legitimacy of the knockdowns because I haven't studied the replays on them, one or two may well have been pushes. I really didn't see Povetkin having ths success you think he had to win those rounds, I didn't give him one round. Thought he got under the jab and close competently, far better than most, but nothing much materialized from there in the way of clean punches. He had little success from the outside too, except for a couple of decent right hands. On my scorecard on all those rounds you gave for Povetkin, bar 12, I wrote that Klitschko won with the jab. I could have given Povetkin the 12th.

Thats a fair assessment,, I just think that wlad didnt really do much either though, it was kinda lackluster,,, sasha would push forward and may or may not land,, and wlad tied him up, and landed some jabs, but he wasnt really that effective either early on,,, I think sasha was the one pressing the action and neither were really scoring effective,, alot of close early rounds,,, I do think that sasha was being effective enough for wlad to lose his patience and resort to holding him down on the neck, and when he hurt him in the 7th, wlad was super aggressive and looked to take him out, because he felt the fight was closer than HBO and the judges had it.. I had never seen wlad go for the kill like that before, IMO

[Scott9945]

Ok, i will ask this in the history forum and hope to get some educated answers and not some crap from NSB..

Am i the only one that thought povetkin did alot better job than the scorecards showed,,

I had sasha winning rounds 1,3,4,10,12 and a final score of 114-109 for wlad,,,

Is that a horrible CJ ross type scorecard....

I thought the first and 3rd kds were legit, but thought the others were push downs by wlad..... I still scored them as kds because the ref did,,,

I just think that the first 6 rounds povetkin was a live dog, wlad took over in the middle rounds but tired late, but povetkin didnt throw his right hand enough, and wlad won fair and square,,,

I couldn't find one round where Povetkin was more effective than Klitschko, except possibly the late ones where it didn't matter anymore. The punch stats showing Povetkin landing 2-3 punches a round seemed accurate to me.