Prime Muhammad Ali-Invincible?

[angelo_dundee]

Aye. I have been making this point for ages. Ali could really hit.

[LS-Injection]

Lol i said that!

[BKM-]

All of his knock outs were a flurry of combinations(Wich is beautifull ofcource) not the sign of true punching power.

[angelo_dundee]

Son hit hard enough. Ask Liston. "That wasnt the guy I was supposed to fight...that boy could punch".

[LS-Injection]

Did you just make that up!

[hellfire508]

Son hit hard enough. Ask Liston. "That wasnt the guy I was supposed to fight...that boy could punch".

Exactly. ALi not hitting hard is a myth.

Liston had an iron jaw, took absolute bombs from Williams. Ali nearly but him on the canvas in the 3rd and 6th rounds. He did put him on his ass in the 2nd fight, but everyone will start yelling about a fix, so we won't bring that up.

Foreman had an iron jaw, and he was KD'd. Exhaustion was a factor, but the combination Ali finished with was brutal. Througout the fight, you see George's head snap back with right hand leads etc.

Ali KO'd the granite chinned Bonavena.

Ali - no power = MYTH.

He was no Louis or Foreman, but the man could hit - especially when he wasn't up on his toes, throwing right hands in mid-air.

[tommyhearns804]

A prime Ali in invincible?Ha right i suppose that is why Ali walks around today with severe brain damage right?No man is invincible period.
Ali in the beggining of his career fought weaker people than Tyson did and at least the guys Tyson fought were true heavyweights.Most of the people Ali fought at that time were about 190 pounds or less and a few of them rocked him or dropped him with one punch.Liston was the best fighter he fought then and who the hell is Liston?A guy best known for knocked out glass chin super middle weight Floyd Patterson WOW.
When Ali began to fight real opposition when he came back after his 3 year exile you saw the kind of fighter he really was.He struggled against any fighter who wasn't dead slow on their feet.And as i said before if Ali was old at 30 then why was Lewis steal considered in his prime in his late 30's?Why was Foreman still fighting guys like a prime Holyfield in his 40's and doing better than Ali did against people like Leon Spinks when Ali was in his 30's?
Just watch Ali 2 fights with Quarry.He fought Quarry just like he did lets say Liston.Because Quarry was slow on his feet and had limited boxing skills.If you had a jab and didn't try to knock out Ali with every punch you could beat him.Even if you weren't really a great fighter.Guys like Douglas would be able to outbox Ali.And if you think this is wrong just watch Ali vs Doug Jones when Ali was in his 20's.Jones was a small guy but he used his jab and Ali couldn't stop it and Jones hurt Ali big time.
Guys like Lewis would have a easy time with Ali.Lewis was ****y but he never went for a one punch Ko like Foreman did which was the reason Foreman lost.Even a guy like Bryd would put up a great fight with Ali and might get the nod.Akinwande,Bowe, and and other taller fighter would either put up a great fight or win or even stop him if they had power.Even a guy like Tyson would knock out out Ali.You could say Frazier had more heart which he did but Tyson had more power.He was a bigger man with faster hands than Frazier.Tyson didn't have a great chin but he was never knocked down by one punch and Ali wouldn't do it either.A in shape Tyson would jump all over Ali and stop him.
Every fighter who steps in the ring will lose if he fights long enough or fights enough good fighters.Ali was no different.The fighters who had the most over all talent at heavyweight and were probably the toughest to beat were a in shape Lewis,or a humble Foreman but guess what?They still lost.
Fans of Ali get carried away sometimes.You act like the man had no flaws when in reality he had huge flaws.He couldn't really hurt you if you had a good chin,Ali didn't really have that good of a chin.He only been down 4 times but he was hurt with one punched so many times even by guys alot smaller than him,And even though you may heard other wise Ali wasn't really a good boxer.He basically only threw a jab and a right hand.Which ment if Ali was fighting a guy who was good at avoiding the right hand Ali would be screwed.For example Both Foreman and Lewis coudl be hit by a right hand in their primes but neither one got hit with many clean hooks.Ali rarely threw any punches to the body so he couldn't tire a man down that way.Ali had poor stamina which wouldn't be a big deal if he had great power and knocked out guys quick (Ali was tired in more fights than Foreman was but some how Foreman got stucked with the poor stamina bull crap).
Give Ali credit for showing heart and for fighting alot of top fighters but don't make this man out to be some type of god because he wasn't none of us are.ALI WAS GOOD BUT NO MAN IS INVINCIBLE.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Hearns sums up many of my views, and Hellfire... His KO of Foreman was vicious? That is quite possibly the most laughable statement I've read today. Foreman has great defense and a great chin, it was pure exaustion and frustration that prevented George from going on, and nothing more (except maybe a lack of heart).

[BKM-]

A prime Ali in invincible?Ha right i suppose that is why Ali walks around today with severe brain damage right?No man is invincible period.
Ali in the beggining of his career fought weaker people than Tyson did and at least the guys Tyson fought were true heavyweights.Most of the people Ali fought at that time were about 190 pounds or less and a few of them rocked him or dropped him with one punch.Liston was the best fighter he fought then and who the hell is Liston?A guy best known for knocked out glass chin super middle weight Floyd Patterson WOW.
When Ali began to fight real opposition when he came back after his 3 year exile you saw the kind of fighter he really was.He struggled against any fighter who wasn't dead slow on their feet.And as i said before if Ali was old at 30 then why was Lewis steal considered in his prime in his late 30's?Why was Foreman still fighting guys like a prime Holyfield in his 40's and doing better than Ali did against people like Leon Spinks when Ali was in his 30's?
Just watch Ali 2 fights with Quarry.He fought Quarry just like he did lets say Liston.Because Quarry was slow on his feet and had limited boxing skills.If you had a jab and didn't try to knock out Ali with every punch you could beat him.Even if you weren't really a great fighter.Guys like Douglas would be able to outbox Ali.And if you think this is wrong just watch Ali vs Doug Jones when Ali was in his 20's.Jones was a small guy but he used his jab and Ali couldn't stop it and Jones hurt Ali big time.
Guys like Lewis would have a easy time with Ali.Lewis was ****y but he never went for a one punch Ko like Foreman did which was the reason Foreman lost.Even a guy like Bryd would put up a great fight with Ali and might get the nod.Akinwande,Bowe, and and other taller fighter would either put up a great fight or win or even stop him if they had power.Even a guy like Tyson would knock out out Ali.You could say Frazier had more heart which he did but Tyson had more power.He was a bigger man with faster hands than Frazier.Tyson didn't have a great chin but he was never knocked down by one punch and Ali wouldn't do it either.A in shape Tyson would jump all over Ali and stop him.
Every fighter who steps in the ring will lose if he fights long enough or fights enough good fighters.Ali was no different.The fighters who had the most over all talent at heavyweight and were probably the toughest to beat were a in shape Lewis,or a humble Foreman but guess what?They still lost.
Fans of Ali get carried away sometimes.You act like the man had no flaws when in reality he had huge flaws.He couldn't really hurt you if you had a good chin,Ali didn't really have that good of a chin.He only been down 4 times but he was hurt with one punched so many times even by guys alot smaller than him,And even though you may heard other wise Ali wasn't really a good boxer.He basically only threw a jab and a right hand.Which ment if Ali was fighting a guy who was good at avoiding the right hand Ali would be screwed.For example Both Foreman and Lewis coudl be hit by a right hand in their primes but neither one got hit with many clean hooks.Ali rarely threw any punches to the body so he couldn't tire a man down that way.Ali had poor stamina which wouldn't be a big deal if he had great power and knocked out guys quick (Ali was tired in more fights than Foreman was but some how Foreman got stucked with the poor stamina bull crap).
Give Ali credit for showing heart and for fighting alot of top fighters but don't make this man out to be some type of god because he wasn't none of us are.ALI WAS GOOD BUT NO MAN IS INVINCIBLE.

Very true. Finally, you're not dissing Tyson for a change.

[Boxclever]

To say Ali had no power would just be wrong. That said power isn't everything and Ali's record stands up for itself those who managed to beat him he avenged. (till he was a shot fighter anyway)