Prime Muhammad Ali-Invincible?

[Southpaw Stinger]

Mike Tyson would get owned by Ali before the fight. He was a bit mentally soft and I doubt he'd have much resistance to Ali's taunts!

[Frazier's 15th round]

A hypothetical 1969 match, Ali without lay off, would cruise past Joe, on account of his graceful speed. Amen.

One of the worst arguments I've seen, and it's been brought up too many times. Frazier is a pressure fighter, he would have absolutely NO PROBLEM in catching up to Ali and hitting him. Also funny that you should mention 1969, as I believe that was the best Joe Frazier we ever saw. While he was in amazing shape in 1971, cataracts at that point caused him to only throw left hooks, and basically use his right to only block.

To say Ali would "cruise" past Joe is silly, and you have nothing to back it up. Most people say Ali's best wins were against Folley, Williams, and Terrell. Well, Folley was 35 years old, and I haven't seen the match in a while, but I thought that Folley was doing a decent job. Williams was literally shot, so you can't really base Ali's greatness and "blinding" speed off this win. This leaves Terrell. Ali was accused of sticking his thumb in Terrell's eye 3 times.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Mike Tyson would get owned by Ali before the fight. He was a bit mentally soft and I doubt he'd have much resistance to Ali's taunts!

Another poor argument. He was mentally soft, and couldn't handle the taunts. Ali would beat him before the fight even started, blah, blah, blah. I'm not a big Tyson fan myself, but he was great in his prime. And he would have given Ali a good fight.

[butterfly1964]

A prime Ali in invincible?Ha right i suppose that is why Ali walks around today with severe brain damage right?No man is invincible period.
Ali in the beggining of his career fought weaker people than Tyson did and at least the guys Tyson fought were true heavyweights.Most of the people Ali fought at that time were about 190 pounds or less and a few of them rocked him or dropped him with one punch.Liston was the best fighter he fought then and who the hell is Liston?A guy best known for knocked out glass chin super middle weight Floyd Patterson WOW.
When Ali began to fight real opposition when he came back after his 3 year exile you saw the kind of fighter he really was.He struggled against any fighter who wasn't dead slow on their feet.And as i said before if Ali was old at 30 then why was Lewis steal considered in his prime in his late 30's?Why was Foreman still fighting guys like a prime Holyfield in his 40's and doing better than Ali did against people like Leon Spinks when Ali was in his 30's?
Just watch Ali 2 fights with Quarry.He fought Quarry just like he did lets say Liston.Because Quarry was slow on his feet and had limited boxing skills.If you had a jab and didn't try to knock out Ali with every punch you could beat him.Even if you weren't really a great fighter.Guys like Douglas would be able to outbox Ali.And if you think this is wrong just watch Ali vs Doug Jones when Ali was in his 20's.Jones was a small guy but he used his jab and Ali couldn't stop it and Jones hurt Ali big time.
Guys like Lewis would have a easy time with Ali.Lewis was ****y but he never went for a one punch Ko like Foreman did which was the reason Foreman lost.Even a guy like Bryd would put up a great fight with Ali and might get the nod.Akinwande,Bowe, and and other taller fighter would either put up a great fight or win or even stop him if they had power.Even a guy like Tyson would knock out out Ali.You could say Frazier had more heart which he did but Tyson had more power.He was a bigger man with faster hands than Frazier.Tyson didn't have a great chin but he was never knocked down by one punch and Ali wouldn't do it either.A in shape Tyson would jump all over Ali and stop him.
Every fighter who steps in the ring will lose if he fights long enough or fights enough good fighters.Ali was no different.The fighters who had the most over all talent at heavyweight and were probably the toughest to beat were a in shape Lewis,or a humble Foreman but guess what?They still lost.
Fans of Ali get carried away sometimes.You act like the man had no flaws when in reality he had huge flaws.He couldn't really hurt you if you had a good chin,Ali didn't really have that good of a chin.He only been down 4 times but he was hurt with one punched so many times even by guys alot smaller than him,And even though you may heard other wise Ali wasn't really a good boxer.He basically only threw a jab and a right hand.Which ment if Ali was fighting a guy who was good at avoiding the right hand Ali would be screwed.For example Both Foreman and Lewis coudl be hit by a right hand in their primes but neither one got hit with many clean hooks.Ali rarely threw any punches to the body so he couldn't tire a man down that way.Ali had poor stamina which wouldn't be a big deal if he had great power and knocked out guys quick (Ali was tired in more fights than Foreman was but some how Foreman got stucked with the poor stamina bull crap).
Give Ali credit for showing heart and for fighting alot of top fighters but don't make this man out to be some type of god because he wasn't none of us are.ALI WAS GOOD BUT NO MAN IS INVINCIBLE.

wow, you are an idiot. what the hell does having parkinson's now have to do with his career 40 years ago?

ali struggled with anyone who wasn't dead slow on their feet? oh, so i suppose patterson was slow on his feet. so was ellis and mathis? quarry did not have limited boxing skills moron, if he did, then what enabled him to go toe to toe with frazier in the first fight, before getting stopped? quarry is a tricky fighter with very good boxing skills, even ali admitted that after the fight. and you are so ******ed. you must be joe frazier, floyd patterson, or ernie terrel because all this **** you are saying is nonsensical and idiotic. douglass would beat ali? douglass doesn't have trigger-quick speed like ali. he only beat tyson cause tyson's style played into buster's hands. ali has a faster jab, hit harder, faster feet, head movement, physically stronger, better chin, and well everything than douglass. do you actually think that buster douglass could beat ali? and using the jones fight as an example is ******, cause ali took jones lightly and tried to take him out quick. if ali fought the way he usually fought, he would have no trouble at all with jones.

tyson would stop ali? sure. tyson barely beat quick tillis, and got beat around the ring by douglass, both of these fighters are movers like ali. ali is way faster than both of these guys so what makes you think tyson would have a chance?

ali had a weak chin? he was down on the canvas for a total of 14seconds in his entire career and it really should be 11, cause wepner didn't really floor him. he got hit alot by frazier, foreman, bonavena, norton, shavers, and lyle, but they all knocked him down a total of one time, and all of these were hard punchers.

ali only started losing after him prime, when most great fighters start losing before that time. ali had the ability to make great fighters look ordinary. watch the liston fights, folley fight, patterson, quarry, frazier the second time, and part of the third, foreman.

ali had poor stamina? so i guess it's easy to dance around the ring for 15rounds, and throw rapid fire combinations huh? ali definetely has better stamina than foreman cause most of foreman's fights when he was young lasted a couple of rounds or so, when ali only had only two first round ko's in his career, so ali fought alot more rounds than foreman. if ali ko'd people in the first round like foreman he would never have got tired in his whole career.

of course ali is not invincible, even in his prime, no one's invincible. but trying to say that bums would crush him is just moronic.

[supaduck]

Ali was the greatest, and i'd say he was almost invincible in his prime. Too bad he wasn't permanently invincible

[angelo_dundee]

He's achieved immortality. His legend is eternal.

[BKM-]

tyson would stop ali? sure. tyson barely beat quick tillis, and got beat around the ring by douglass, both of these fighters are movers like ali. ali is way faster than both of these guys so what makes you think tyson would have a chance?

He CLEARY won the fight vs Tillis, even if it was a sd, so what? Tillis was his first real quality opponent and he was unexperienced. I cant believe people judge him on that fight because he didn't KNOCK EM OUT. Boxers also win with points.

Tyson destroyed Tyrell Biggs, the guy who could dance all night. He was nearly as fast as Ali on his feet so what makes you think Ali would have a chance?

[Southpaw Stinger]

what makes you think Ali would have a chance?

How about, he's a better boxer!

[Easy-E]

Muhammad Ali is widely regarded as the greatest HW ever. He had it all, speed, chin, heart, movement, tactics-more so then any other big man in History.

At his prime, was the self styled-and acknowledged- greatest invincible?

Who would have the best chance of dethroning the Greatest in his pre lay-off/exile years?

i think that the pre exile ali was the best boxer in history. the only person who would have a shot??
id say liston, foreman or tyson, simply because of their raw power. that being said, ali wins that fight every time imo

[Easy-E]

He CLEARY won the fight vs Tillis, even if it was a sd, so what? Tillis was his first real quality opponent and he was unexperienced. I cant believe people judge him on that fight because he didn't KNOCK EM OUT. Boxers also win with points.

Tyson destroyed Tyrell Biggs, the guy who could dance all night. He was nearly as fast as Ali on his feet so what makes you think Ali would have a chance?

you are aware you just compared tyrell bigges to muhammad ali, right??? ali was not just fast, but he had good power, great reflexes and would mess with your head. mike would lose that fight before he got in the ring. ali wins that fight 99 times out of 100