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  • #11
    Originally posted by New England View Post
    haye doesn't ahve what it takes could hold a truly prime tyson off.

    he's not an active fighter. he doesn't institute a real jab. tyson's not going to be complacent languishing on the outside against a guy like that. he'd force haye to land bombs. haybe might even land. tyson had a very good chin and would take anything that was landed. eventually he catches up to haye and hurts him with the first huge punch he lands.

    third or fourth round knockout.
    Great analysis.

    I think that strictly for the purposes of this comparison the Michael Spinks fight is relevant. Spinks really had no meaningful way to keep Tyson off of him....That was that. Tyson, the guy who many at the time called a dumb brute yada yada, knew that Spinks could not keep him off of him. Much the way Musashi dispatched of the technically superior "prince Koto" by simply blitzing him with a wooden oar that had length on the princes' sword....not to mention the prince had waded out to the tide and had no way to manoveur... Tyson never gave Spinks the opportunity to box him.

    Here is the problem that Haye would face: guys like Holmes could move and hence work a jab...back in the eighties guys could move. Haye gets by with a speedy ambush movement that works very well against guys who cannot move real well, as New England said he has no jab and really no way to keep Tyson off of him. If Haye tried to ambush Mike he would run into a brick wall, Tyson would pressure him, walk him down and make Haye wish he had something like footwork to keep Tyson back.

    As with Spinks, Haye would be overwhelmed. Holyfield was coached by a genius....he beat Mike by using a JU Jitsu principle....triangulating Mike making him push back on his heels, or he would have had a similar fate. The old timers had more of a sense of balance and grappling ability and might be able to do similar things (as Holly) did to Tyson...but not a guy like Haye!
    Last edited by billeau2; 09-19-2013, 03:34 PM.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by New England View Post
      haye doesn't ahve what it takes could hold a truly prime tyson off.

      he's not an active fighter. he doesn't institute a real jab. tyson's not going to be complacent languishing on the outside against a guy like that. he'd force haye to land bombs. haybe might even land. tyson had a very good chin and would take anything that was landed. eventually he catches up to haye and hurts him with the first huge punch he lands.

      third or fourth round knockout.
      Not to mention Tyson's straight ahead speed was ridiculous. Haye has some speed but he's not going to be able to retreat faster than Tyson comes forward. Ali could, so could Patterson, but Haye's footspeed isn't in their league.

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      • #13
        Terrible match up for Haye. Mike gets to him early and its over. Haye couldnt keep Tyson off with his type of work rate and even if he could duck and dive a few rounds Mike's intense pressure would have him gassed, in a hurry too.

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        • #14
          Haye wouldn't last long but I believe he would last longer than Wlad.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by New England View Post
            haye doesn't ahve what it takes could hold a truly prime tyson off.

            he's not an active fighter. he doesn't institute a real jab. tyson's not going to be complacent languishing on the outside against a guy like that. he'd force haye to land bombs. haybe might even land. tyson had a very good chin and would take anything that was landed. eventually he catches up to haye and hurts him with the first huge punch he lands.

            third or fourth round knockout.
            I agree two different class of fighters

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            • #16
              Two rounds top.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by SBleeder View Post
                About as long as Tony Tucker and Bonecrusher Smith. Tyson would win an easy decision, though.
                The problem is that Haye isn't as tough or durable as those guys. Honestly, Tyson destroys him in 5 rounds.

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                • #18
                  Probably not even a round.

                  Maximum 5. That's absolute maximum.

                  I would highly doubt he see's the 5th.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
                    Probably not even a round.

                    Maximum 5. That's absolute maximum.

                    I would highly doubt he see's the 5th.
                    I think it's a one round fight. He comes way too wide and doesn't have great feet. Mike would, literally, walk through Haye.

                    Know what would have been fun...Haye-Michael Moorer. Moorer could box him silly, and both guys could crack like hell, but Moorer probably a worse chin.

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                    • #20
                      One or two rounds would be the obvious guess, and it would seem likely.

                      But other guys with suspect chins stood in with Tyson longer than that, but they had a physical strength to rough Tyson up a little bit, or at least clinch and hold. Haye doesn't.

                      Tyson KO2, after Haye also went down in the first.

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