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Was Sugar ray Robinson in his prime in the Fullmer and basillio fights?
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Originally posted by Pacquiaoifyable View PostYes, you may have talked to fighters who fought Robinson after 1952, but those people never fought the pre-'52 version, meaning they couldn't possibly know if he was better, worse or just as good as he was back in the day compared to when he fought them. It really does make no sense for this particular argument.
Since you're so set on mentioning facts, why don't we compare his record before retiring in '52 to his record after his '55 comeback.
Record from 1940-1952
131-3-2
Record over top fighters from 1940-1952
Sammy Agnott 3-0
Fritzie Zivic 2-0
Jake LaMotta 5-1
Henry Armstrong 1-0
Kid Gavilan 1-0
Bobo Olsen 2-0
Randy Turpin 1-1
Rocky Graziano 1-0
Joey Maxim 0-1
Record from 1955-1965
42-16-4
Record over top fighters from 1955-1965
Bobo Olsen 2-0
Gene Fullmer 1-2-1
Carmen Basilio 1-1
Paul Pender 0-2
Joey Giardello 0-1
Stan Harrington 0-2
Joey Archer 0-1
I don't know what more I can say or any other way I can put it. It's simply clear as day that Robinson was not as good as he once was after coming out of retirement. He's got some very nice wins over top competition, but he suffered losses over guys that it's safe to assume he wouldn't have done before his initial retirement (no disrespect to those guys at all - Robinson was still great, just not as great).
His record post-1955 against top fighters is 4-8-1. Doesn't make for as good reading as his 16-3 record against top opposition before his first retirement.
I'm not holding out on any hope that you'll change your stubborn viewpoint on this subject, but at least I've shared my personal opinion with you and any other readers of this thread.
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