David Haye vs Jack Dempsey

[bklynboy]

Bottom line here is Dempsey is gettin brutalised in maybe a round and really if you can't genuinely see that then I think your lying to yourselves.......the old cliche styles make fights and this is a very bad style for Dempsey

Don't let your dislike of that arrogant fool haye cloud the realistic outcome of this fight

Wow. I wish this fight could happen. I think the Dempsey that took on Willard would plow through Haye the way Tyson went through Spinks. Haye is an OK heavyweight. He would have been second tier in the 90s; would never have been in Holmes league in the 80s; would have been second tier in the 60s and 70s; might have been an honorable mention in the 40s and 50s. But taking on prime Dempsey? I just don't see it playing well for Haye.

[Kid Achilles]

Dempsey was at his best against bigger guys like Willard. I consider Haye to be worse than Firpo and Willard. I think RJJ would fare better against Dempsey than Haye would. Haye is not the guy to beat Dempey. You gotta move and counter him and hope you're quick enough to gain a lead in points while on the bicycle and strong enough to keep him off of you. Dempsey found the *****s in an opponents armor. He was a keen hunter.

[Punchy1]

This is one of the classic different era different fighters. As a big Dempsey fan and a bit of a haye fan today's standards haye is a small heavyweight but in the Dempsey era he would have been one of the bigger heavyweights. Would have smashed up a big slow limited Willard as for firpo pretty much the same. Gene Tunney was a very good boxer fast hands who twice beat Dempsey haye would be to fast and big for Dempsey. Agree or disagree as you will but this is why I like all this **** as we argue about things we cannot prove.

[lazy]

I like Haye but Dempsey literally destroys him.

[LacedUp]

I really don't like Haye, but this would be a mismatch and an easy victory for Haye.
I haven't watched too many Dempsey's fights (mainly what I was able to find on yt).

But with those clips that I was able to find I think that any fighter that fought 80 years ago against Haye would be a mismatch.

Boxing, same as any sport, has developed over the years. Majority of the boxers back then did boxing as a part time thing.I like old legends too, but lets be real. Haye is faster, stronger and bigger than most of those fighters.

Totally agree with this. Dempsey was an awesome fighter for his day. But today he wouldn't even be a HW. He was tough as old boots, but would give up a couple of inches in height, and a lot of weight. He has shorter reach and is slower on the move than Haye. It's wrong to compare these eras because there's so much technology and improvement in training facilities etc. Back then they just relied on pure talent.

If Haye gets stopped by Carl Thompson, he gets crushed by Jack Dempsey. Haye looked like crap against Valuev and was frightened of Klitschko. He would go into shock when Dempsey stepped to him.

What kind of comparison is that? Haye was a 24 year old kid. He wasn't even stopped, his corner through in the towel and he wanted to fight on. He was gassed more than anything else.

Wlad got stopped by Purrity when he was young, does that mean he would get KO'd by Dempsey a man half his size?

[Cardinal Buck]

Dempsey lost several times to Willie Meehan, a fat bantamweight.

[Kid Achilles]

And Tyson got beat by Buster Douglas, so he's a bum.

[Kid Achilles]

Let's see Meehan get in there in George Carpentier's place, when Dempsey was mature as a fighter and in his prime, and not fighting for a meal and room and board at a saloon, and see him last a minute with that Dempsey.

Let's see Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko or even Mike Tyson live in Dempsey's time and have to fight for a fistful of dollars with tiny gloves, in the boiling heat after a day in a coal mine or after walking to town through desert and prairie. I wonder how many years they would last at that. I don't think any of those guys even worked a JOB in their lives, let alone had to work in a mine and train for a fight at the same time.

It was a different time. If you had talent, well that's great, here's the shovel, you can work on that ditch I'm digging in the back. Finish that and cut down those trees near it and you can stay in the horse barn and I'll manage you.

It was not the era of the million dollar title payday. Even if you were Muhammad Ali back then, you could starve to death as you worked your way up. Million dollar paydays? They were a long ways away. And Dempsey, who you attempt to slight hee was the guy who paved the way for that. Dempsey MADE boxing a big money sport. The million dollar gate, have you heard that term used before? He was a fighter of the quality that every promoter dreams of, who could fight in an exciting fashion and appear to put it all on the line each fight and yet have the skill and talent to win again and again and again against the best fighters who challenged him. Dempsey was superb...as Max Schmeling watched him in theatres as a child "he was like a man from another planet", a fighter who blended offense and defense into a seamless and savage dance.

No less than one of the greatest prizefighters ever could have accomplished what Dempsey did, living in the harsher and less forgiving times he was born into. He was certainly not fortunate or lucky, he was often ripped off, injured, exploited by managers, and was undersized, even for his times.

And despite all this, history and fight film show him to be a trailer blazer and an all time great of extreme import to the sport. So re-examine his career again and then tell me all about how he lost to a blown up bantamweight and it's relevance to this thread.

[Lucas Machine]

Let's see Meehan get in there in George Carpentier's place, when Dempsey was mature as a fighter and in his prime, and not fighting for a meal and room and board at a saloon, and see him last a minute with that Dempsey.

Let's see Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko or even Mike Tyson live in Dempsey's time and have to fight for a fistful of dollars with tiny gloves, in the boiling heat after a day in a coal mine or after walking to town through desert and prairie. I wonder how many years they would last at that. I don't think any of those guys even worked a JOB in their lives, let alone had to work in a mine and train for a fight at the same time.

It was a different time. If you had talent, well that's great, here's the shovel, you can work on that ditch I'm digging in the back. Finish that and cut down those trees near it and you can stay in the horse barn and I'll manage you.

It was not the era of the million dollar title payday. Even if you were Muhammad Ali back then, you could starve to death as you worked your way up. Million dollar paydays? They were a long ways away. And Dempsey, who you attempt to slight hee was the guy who paved the way for that. Dempsey MADE boxing a big money sport. The million dollar gate, have you heard that term used before? He was a fighter of the quality that every promoter dreams of, who could fight in an exciting fashion and appear to put it all on the line each fight and yet have the skill and talent to win again and again and again against the best fighters who challenged him. Dempsey was superb...as Max Schmeling watched him in theatres as a child "he was like a man from another planet", a fighter who blended offense and defense into a seamless and savage dance.

No less than one of the greatest prizefighters ever could have accomplished what Dempsey did, living in the harsher and less forgiving times he was born into. He was certainly not fortunate or lucky, he was often ripped off, injured, exploited by managers, and was undersized, even for his times.

And despite all this, history and fight film show him to be a trailer blazer and an all time great of extreme import to the sport. So re-examine his career again and then tell me all about how he lost to a blown up bantamweight and it's relevance to this thread.

There are very few fighters I respect more than Dempsey. Very few that I would pick to beat him head to head. He would crush David Hasye who is only slightly above fraudulent level.

[KidKwik]

Let's see Meehan get in there in George Carpentier's place, when Dempsey was mature as a fighter and in his prime, and not fighting for a meal and room and board at a saloon, and see him last a minute with that Dempsey.

Let's see Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko or even Mike Tyson live in Dempsey's time and have to fight for a fistful of dollars with tiny gloves, in the boiling heat after a day in a coal mine or after walking to town through desert and prairie. I wonder how many years they would last at that. I don't think any of those guys even worked a JOB in their lives, let alone had to work in a mine and train for a fight at the same time.

It was a different time. If you had talent, well that's great, here's the shovel, you can work on that ditch I'm digging in the back. Finish that and cut down those trees near it and you can stay in the horse barn and I'll manage you.

It was not the era of the million dollar title payday. Even if you were Muhammad Ali back then, you could starve to death as you worked your way up. Million dollar paydays? They were a long ways away. And Dempsey, who you attempt to slight hee was the guy who paved the way for that. Dempsey MADE boxing a big money sport. The million dollar gate, have you heard that term used before? He was a fighter of the quality that every promoter dreams of, who could fight in an exciting fashion and appear to put it all on the line each fight and yet have the skill and talent to win again and again and again against the best fighters who challenged him. Dempsey was superb...as Max Schmeling watched him in theatres as a child "he was like a man from another planet", a fighter who blended offense and defense into a seamless and savage dance.

No less than one of the greatest prizefighters ever could have accomplished what Dempsey did, living in the harsher and less forgiving times he was born into. He was certainly not fortunate or lucky, he was often ripped off, injured, exploited by managers, and was undersized, even for his times.

And despite all this, history and fight film show him to be a trailer blazer and an all time great of extreme import to the sport. So re-examine his career again and then tell me all about how he lost to a blown up bantamweight and it's relevance to this thread.

I figured you were one of those highly sentimental fans, and that's good, and while what you say is true, Dempsey has a lot going against him in this dream fight with Haye dude. Size, possibly strength, footwork, I don't want to say speed but maybe, and then there's finesse. Dempsey may have been a great boxer, but we all know this guy was a straight up brawler at heart. If Haye takes him out of that game by not exchanging with him, sticking him from the outside, wouldn't Haye take at least and MD or a UD?