David Haye vs Jack Dempsey

[Suckmedry]

Dempsey would tear straight through Haye. Dempsey may lose to some modern heavies because of the size difference, but don't forget that he was still one of the most explosive KO punchers in boxing history. Haye has never seen anything like Dempsey, Dempsey was more of an animal than a boxer in many ways.

[bklynboy]

That is my point. It is impossible to compare two fighters that fought 100 years apart. Still if we are doing that here, that I thought is the question of the thread then I don't understand how can anyone pick Dempsey H2H over Haye.

Dempsey is light HW/CW by today's standards and even at that weight is far less athletic than someone like Haye who doesn't carry much of fat into the fight.

Adjusting Dempsey is very hypothetical question and I can't predict how well he would adopt. The way he fought back then wouldn't give him anything good against today's much stronger and bigger HWs. Would he be able to bulk up some 2-3 stones of muscles and still keep the edge I just don't know...

First, boxing is unlike other sports. Baseball, football, basketball are all recent innovations. Fighting has been around as long as there have been people. Put an MMA fighter into the ring with a Spartan, a Gladiator, or others from the "past" -- do you think the MMA guy is the automatic favorite because he's from the present? No.

Extra knockout power doesn't come simply by lifting weights, any more than it helps a pitcher in throwing a baseball harder or hitting a golf ball farther. Remember that skinny little guy who took the golf world by storm. What was his name? Tiger Woods. This skinny little guy was hitting balls farther than others 50 pounds heavier than him.

Now height and weight is important but it is progressively less important the bigger you are. The reason? KOs come when your brain collides with your skull. Aside from neck bridges, which Dempsey certainly did, there isn't anything you can do increase your body's shock absorbers.

Dempsey took care of a 245lb Willard who wasn't a fat f**k like Chris Arreola so he obviously has more than enough KO power.

As an aside I think that Chris Arreola would have been a far better fighter if he came in at 215. He would have much more endurance, be able to move better and I don't think he would have lost much punching power.

[Ray Corso]

simurgh; Guess you never heard of Jake LaMotta, Jake could lay possum better than anyone! Joe Wacott could do the same and Archie Moore may have been the best at it!!! All before the 60's!!!!

Still waiting for the "newer" technical "stuff" that was invented in the last 20 or 30 or 50 or 70 years! ****ing weights or a sledge hammer is hard work no matter what your choice is!!

Activity is the biggests difference between then & now!!! And that activity is the biggest reason the fighters then are Smarter!!
You can't replace experience in the fights with gym or training! Thats a FACT!
Ray

[Suckmedry]

Ambush fighting was pretty much unknown back then. I can't think of any ambush fighter that fought before 60s-70s.

Haye is typical example of an ambush fighter.

What exactly do you mean?

[likeamulekick]

Its really tough to compare because you don't see Dempsey fight anyone with a modern boxing mover style. I think one thing that might give Dempsey a win is that he chose his spots carefully and haye can seem hesitant and scared at some times. But logically the only way I see Dempsey winning is either storming haye in the first round or catching up to him in the late rounds and that's if Dempsey can take his punch coz hes GONNA get hit with that right hand no question. Id go with haye just coz hes miles the better boxer but this is really a hard one to compare coz Dempsey was miles the better fighter

[Ray Corso]

"modern boxer moving style" seriously? ....miles the better"
do you know anything about boxing at all? Do you have any concept on techniques? If I were to punch you in your floater and raise your shoulder blade a full 2 inches would you cry?

What if, Fred Flinstone vs Magilla Gorilla who would win? Stick to that!

HA!!!! Ray.

[bklynboy]

Its really tough to compare because you don't see Dempsey fight anyone with a modern boxing mover style. I think one thing that might give Dempsey a win is that he chose his spots carefully and haye can seem hesitant and scared at some times. But logically the only way I see Dempsey winning is either storming haye in the first round or catching up to him in the late rounds and that's if Dempsey can take his punch coz hes GONNA get hit with that right hand no question. Id go with haye just coz hes miles the better boxer but this is really a hard one to compare coz Dempsey was miles the better fighter

How would Haye do against Mike Tyson? Was Tyson a harder puncher than Dempsey? Maybe. Don't know. But Dempsey would come in like Tyson, hooking body shots and uppercuts. As a matter of fact it would be better stated in saying that Tyson moved in like Dempsey. Cus styled Tyson after Dempsey including the black boots, no socks, poncho towel (not to mention the Iron Mike nickname).

[rsf]

Dempsey by KO

[GOD-FR33]

Smh.

You guys are being bogus once again; judging with your hearts and not your heads. Smh. David Haye would KO Jack Demsey and it has nothing to do with the times or how tough Demsey was. The reasons David Haye would win are obvious if you know anything about boxing. David Haye has great boxing reflexes, he's fast of hand and foot, he's strong, and he's smarter than Demsey. That is why he'd win. Demsey held his hands down against every opponent in an arrogant manner and he got hit too much. He was slow and plodding in his attack. He would get SMASHED! Haye is more athletic and that means something in boxing whether you want to admit it or not.

[AntonTheMeh]

if thompson tko'd haye, dempsey would beat the absolute **** outta haye.