1980's Tony tucker article. 26-0.

[Mike Tyson77]

Nothing wrong with that, bro. I owe Muhammad Ali the same debt of gratitude.

Did you ever get to watch any of his fights live in the late 70's? That would have been cool. Im 19, so Ive missed many a great fight and all of Tysons. :

[brownpimp88]

You call me biased and illogical, yet you are so biased it's pathetic.

In regards to who had a better heavyweight resume between Spinks, Conn, Moore, and Foster. Well, it depends on how you look at it. Conn beat ranked contenders Lee Savold and Bob Pastor, who were far better than the version of Cooney that Spinks dismantled and he also got the better of a prime Louis for the better part of 13 rounds while Spinks got the better part in one fight of an old Holmes, who did NOT get a late start in his career. That says "Conn" to me; and the "Spinks win" does not speak more highly of Tyson than the wins over Gibbons and Carpantier for Dempsey.

You're deluding yourself.

savold is a joke, beating him means nothing. Pastor and savold were never like cooney. Cooney had a time frame in which he was held in a very high regard an he has more skill. Hell even stefan tagnstad has beat a few ranked fighters.

Joe Louis was not in his prime after the world war 2. Spinks is better than conn and he accomplished a hella ova lot more, it shouldnt be debated.

How long was he heavyweight champ, never. How long was he 175 champ, 6 months maybe? Spinks doesnt have to beat up leonard, curry and hearns to prove anything. Conn's major wins were at 147 and 160 for god's sakes.

[realheavyhands]

tyson was at his worst when douglass was at his best.. tucker was a veryskilled heavyweight who had everyskill and could punch. tyson was hit by 1 clean punch in that fight.. tucker trained for the fight of his life and put on a great performace but it wasn enough ..

[K-DOGG]

Did you ever get to watch any of his fights live in the late 70's? That would have been cool. Im 19, so Ive missed many a great fight and all of Tysons. :

Yup; but the only one I can say "for sure" that I saw live was his loss to Spinks. I must have seen him fight before that; but I don't remember which ones. I just remember asking my dad why he doesn't just knock Leon out...and dad saying, "Old Ali underestimated him".

I'll never forget that.

[K-DOGG]

savold is a joke, beating him means nothing. Pastor and savold were never like cooney. Cooney had a time frame in which he was held in a very high regard an he has more skill. Hell even stefan tagnstad has beat a few ranked fighters.

Joe Louis was not in his prime after the world war 2. Spinks is better than conn and he accomplished a hella ova lot more, it shouldnt be debated.

How long was he heavyweight champ, never. How long was he 175 champ, 6 months maybe? Spinks doesnt have to beat up leonard, curry and hearns to prove anything. Conn's major wins were at 147 and 160 for god's sakes.

You might have well just slide naked down a razor into a vat of alcohol.

1. Cooney never beat a ranked fighter in his prime and he wasn't even in his prime when Spinks beat him. The version that fought Larry was far better.
2. Both Savold and Pastor were better than that Cooney.
3. Tangstead was garbage.
4. Louis fought Conn BEFORE WWII the first time.

[brownpimp88]

You might have well just slide naked down a razor into a vat of alcohol.

1. Cooney never beat a ranked fighter in his prime and he wasn't even in his prime when Spinks beat him. The version that fought Larry was far better.
2. Both Savold and Pastor were better than that Cooney.
3. Tangstead was garbage.
4. Louis fought Conn BEFORE WWII the first time.

Norton became a ranked contender after his win over cobb, nice try buddy. Gerry Cooney is way better than those cans and spinks is better than conn by a ****in mile.

[brownpimp88]

You might have well just slide naked down a razor into a vat of alcohol.

1. Cooney never beat a ranked fighter in his prime and he wasn't even in his prime when Spinks beat him. The version that fought Larry was far better.
2. Both Savold and Pastor were better than that Cooney.
3. Tangstead was garbage.
4. Louis fought Conn BEFORE WWII the first time.

Norton became a ranked contender after his win over cobb, nice try buddy. Gerry Cooney is way better than those cans and spinks is better than conn by a ****in mile.

[K-DOGG]

Norton became a ranked contender after his win over cobb, nice try buddy. Gerry Cooney is way better than those cans and spinks is better than conn by a ****in mile.

That's it?

Bottom line is Norton was OLD, end of story. The Cooney win over Norton proved nothing; and if that's all you've got...and it is, you've got nothing too.

Cooney would have more that likely been beaten by both Savold and Pastor because both had light-years more experience that did Gerry.

Oh, and the primary reason Cooney was "held in high regard" was because he was white. Yes, he had very good power; but he received a title shot before he was ready for it because of his complexion and the money that would bring in....he was paid on par with the Champion and was even introduced last in the ring, where the champion normally is. Gerry's a great guy from what I understand; but that was a dark moment in history as Gerry was the last of the Great White Hopes, even if he didn't want to be. Thank you Don King and the Wacko Twins. Don't believe me...ask someone else.

And Spinks isn't better than Conn by a ****in' mile. Skillwise, I'd say they were pretty close. Spinks reigned longer and beat tough competition, so ranking him ahead of Billy is understandable; but don't insult the Philadelpha Kid by saying he wasn't in Spinks' league......he was.

[brownpimp88]

That's it?

Bottom line is Norton was OLD, end of story. The Cooney win over Norton proved nothing; and if that's all you've got...and it is, you've got nothing too.

Cooney would have more that likely been beaten by both Savold and Pastor because both had light-years more experience that did Gerry.

Oh, and the primary reason Cooney was "held in high regard" was because he was white. Yes, he had very good power; but he received a title shot before he was ready for it because of his complexion and the money that would bring in....he was paid on par with the Champion and was even introduced last in the ring, where the champion normally is. Gerry's a great guy from what I understand; but that was a dark moment in history as Gerry was the last of the Great White Hopes, even if he didn't want to be. Thank you Don King and the Wacko Twins. Don't believe me...ask someone else.

And Spinks isn't better than Conn by a ****in' mile. Skillwise, I'd say they were pretty close. Spinks reigned longer and beat tough competition, so ranking him ahead of Billy is understandable; but don't insult the Philadelpha Kid by saying he wasn't in Spinks' league......he was.

conn is in the same league as foster and harold johnson. Spinks is elite, nuff said. By the way, u said in a previus post that norton would have lost to guys like shavers and cooney either way. Norton was 30 when he first became a somebody, so i dont know why the age factor is used. He beat a respectable contender right before this fight and then cooney squashed him. he cant handle vicious punchers.

[K-DOGG]

conn is in the same league as foster and harold johnson. Spinks is elite, nuff said. By the way, u said in a previus post that norton would have lost to guys like shavers and cooney either way. Norton was 30 when he first became a somebody, so i dont know why the age factor is used. He beat a respectable contender right before this fight and then cooney squashed him. he cant handle vicious punchers.

The age factor is used because it was real. He was old, damn near 40. Whether or not Cooney would have beat a 30 year old Norton is conjecture. The fact that he beat an OLD Ken Norton is what is real and should hold no more ground than Jack Johnson beating an OLD Jim Jeffries or a Mike Tyson beating an OLD Larry Holmes. It is what it is.

And Billy Conn WAS Elite, regardless of what you think. You based an earlier post on Louis beating him after WWII, which was not the fight in question, which shows your lack of education on history concerning Conn, so therefore your opinion on his eliteness is one without evidence, merit, or credibility. The weakness in your game weakens your opinion. Conn was a Great Light Heavyweight. Whether he is slightly bettter or slightly worse than Spinks is up for debate. Whether he is in Spinks league is not.