1980's Tony tucker article. 26-0.

[brownpimp88]

The Tyson fight does not affect my judging him at 175.....and I was never impressed with him as a heavyweight. One legitimate win over an old Larry Holmes, coupled by a "loss" to him...and wins over Steve Tangstead and an alcoholic, inactive Gerry Cooney does not constitute an impressive "heavyweight" resume.

better heavyweight resume than billy conn, bob foster and archie moore. Larry holmes started his career late, he even says he aged well. The win is as legit as you can get, i dont care. Spinks will go down as having one of the most legit wins ever. What did billy conn do thats more satisfying than beating a dominant heavyweight champ? O is it cuz he beat welterweights and middleweights. Beating leisnich is more satisfying than beating larry, i dont think so.

[Mike Tyson77]

What other All Time Great EVER took a chunk out of an opponents ear?! WHICH ONE?! None. That is not the mark of a great fighter, that moment in time showed us some insight into Mike Tyson's heart and soul. Other all time greats, even when they were getting beat, either found ways to win or went out on their shields showing championship mettle.....Mike Tyson displayed NONE of that in that fight

How many of them where champion when they were a kid? How many of them would write a check for $250,000 to a homeless women begging in the street? How many of them had been wrongly convicted of ****?


Tyson had tons of problems, but accomplished more from 85'-90' then most fighters could dream. Tyson snapped the the Holyfield II fight. And he had Holyfield hurt before the bit.


But to answer you,.........EVANDER HOLYFIELD. Holyfield bit someone's shoulder in an amature fight. He was losing so be bit the other fighter, Holyfield still lost the fight.

[BKM-]

How many of them where champion when they were a kid? How many of them would write a check for $250,000 to a homeless women begging in the street? How many of them had been wrongly convicted of ****?


Tyson had tons of problems, but accomplished more from 85'-90' then most fighters could dream. Tyson snapped the the Holyfield II fight. And he had Holyfield hurt before the bit.


But to answer you,.........EVANDER HOLYFIELD. Holyfield bit someone's shoulder in an amature fight. He was losing so be bit the other fighter, Holyfield still lost the fight.

Interesting. Holyman probably didn't learn an accurate headbutt yet. He evolved later haha.
Seriously though, where did you read this?

[K-DOGG]

How many of them where champion when they were a kid? How many of them would write a check for $250,000 to a homeless women begging in the street? How many of them had been wrongly convicted of ****?


Tyson had tons of problems, but accomplished more from 85'-90' then most fighters could dream. Tyson snapped the the Holyfield II fight. And he had Holyfield hurt before the bit.


But to answer you,.........EVANDER HOLYFIELD. Holyfield bit someone's shoulder in an amature fight. He was losing so be bit the other fighter, Holyfield still lost the fight.

Amateur vs Pro....Apples and oranges. What you do as "Champ" or in a championship fight says it all.

[brownpimp88]

How many of them where champion when they were a kid? How many of them would write a check for $250,000 to a homeless women begging in the street? How many of them had been wrongly convicted of ****?


Tyson had tons of problems, but accomplished more from 85'-90' then most fighters could dream. Tyson snapped the the Holyfield II fight. And he had Holyfield hurt before the bit.


But to answer you,.........EVANDER HOLYFIELD. Holyfield bit someone's shoulder in an amature fight. He was losing so be bit the other fighter, Holyfield still lost the fight.

Dont worry pal, tyson has a better resume than ****in dempsey. Whats better, beating spink or gibbons and carpentier. Obviously beating spinks is better, its a no brainer. Beating the 88 holmes is still better than beating skillless idiots like willard, firpo and sharkey. On top of that tyson defended his belt 9 times against the top challengers of his era. He is better than dempsey, you dont need to defend him, tyson is the ambassador of this sport.

[K-DOGG]

Dont worry pal, tyson has a better resume than ****in dempsey. Whats better, beating spink or gibbons and carpentier. Obviously beating spinks is better, its a no brainer. Beating the 88 holmes is still better than beating skillless idiots like willard, firpo and sharkey. On top of that tyson defended his belt 9 times against the top challengers of his era. He is better than dempsey, you dont need to defend him, tyson is the ambassador of this sport.

You call me biased and illogical, yet you are so biased it's pathetic.

In regards to who had a better heavyweight resume between Spinks, Conn, Moore, and Foster. Well, it depends on how you look at it. Conn beat ranked contenders Lee Savold and Bob Pastor, who were far better than the version of Cooney that Spinks dismantled and he also got the better of a prime Louis for the better part of 13 rounds while Spinks got the better part in one fight of an old Holmes, who did NOT get a late start in his career. That says "Conn" to me; and the "Spinks win" does not speak more highly of Tyson than the wins over Gibbons and Carpantier for Dempsey.

You're deluding yourself.

[Mike Tyson77]

Amateur vs Pro....Apples and oranges. What you do as "Champ" or in a championship fight says it all.

Look man, I didnt became a Tyson fan by watching Tyson vs Holyfield II. There's a difference between an 87' Tyson and a 97' version.


Tyson made bad mistakes, but so do I. Im no better than Tyson and neither is anyone else. I cant/wont judge Tyson or anyone else. You can't judge a man until you walked a mile in there shoes, and that's a walk Ive yet to take.

[K-DOGG]

Look man, I didnt became a Tyson fan by watching Tyson vs Holyfield II. There's a difference between an 87' Tyson and a 97' version.


Tyson made bad mistakes, but so do I. Im no better than Tyson and neither is anyone else. I cant/wont judge Tyson or anyone else. You can't judge a man until you walked a mile in there shoes, and that's a walk Ive yet to take.

Dude, I'm a Tyson fan. Have been for years. He broke my damn heart when he took that bite; and actualy, I'm over it and hope he lives out the rest of his life in peace, though that drug charge ain't gonna help.

Of course there was a difference between the Tyson of 1987 and the Tyson of 1997....that difference was his associates and influences. When he had the old corner around him, he had the stability he needed because of his inward insecurity. He had all the physical ability you could want in a fighter and Rooney and the team he had in the '80's helped him maintain by giving him focus; they kept his "wild side" in check, more or less. But, the fact is he wasn't mentally stable and boxing is 90% mental....that would cost him in a big fight.

Judging a champion or a fighter isn't about judging how they are with their corner, it's about judging them. And Mike without the old team was missing a key element in his equation for success. He probably would have lost the Tucker fight had Rooney not reeled him in and helped him focus. That's what Aaron Snowell and Jay Bright didn't do in Tokyo.

Mike, on his own without the Rooney corner, is in trouble and history bore that out.

[Mike Tyson77]

Dude, I'm a Tyson fan. Have been for years. He broke my damn heart when he took that bite; and actualy, I'm over it and hope he lives out the rest of his life in peace, though that drug charge ain't gonna help.

Of course there was a difference between the Tyson of 1987 and the Tyson of 1997....that difference was his associates and influences. When he had the old corner around him, he had the stability he needed because of his inward insecurity. He had all the physical ability you could want in a fighter and Rooney and the team he had in the '80's helped him maintain by giving him focus; they kept his "wild side" in check, more or less. But, the fact is he wasn't mentally stable and boxing is 90% mental....that would cost him in a big fight.

Judging a champion or a fighter isn't about judging how they are with their corner, it's about judging them. And Mike without the old team was missing a key element in his equation for success. He probably would have lost the Tucker fight had Rooney not reeled him in and helped him focus. That's what Aaron Snowell and Jay Bright didn't do in Tokyo.

Mike, on his own without the Rooney corner, is in trouble and history bore that out.

I agree with all that. He wasnt the same when Rooney was out of the picture.


I guess why I hold Tyson in such high regard is because he brought me into the sport. Im a boxing fanatic and have too many favorite boxers. But if it wasnt for Tyson I wouldnt know anything about them. A part of me would be missing if I didnt have this sport. I owe Mike alot.

[K-DOGG]

I agree with all that. He wasnt the same when Rooney was out of the picture.


I guess why I hold Tyson in such high regard is because he brought me into the sport. Im a boxing fanatic and have too many favorite boxers. But if it wasnt for Tyson I wouldnt know anything about them. A part of me would be missing if I didnt have this sport. I owe Mike alot.

Nothing wrong with that, bro. I owe Muhammad Ali the same debt of gratitude.