Floyd is P4P #2 ever after SRR?

[mickey malone]

No, it really isn't the end of it when you offer nothing but "He didn't fight Pacquiao".

Robinson didn't fight Burley. I won't even get into Tunney but that doesn't seem to affect their all time rankings with most people.

But at least Robinson had the excuse of being too busy to face all of the best.. Floyd's a joke, fights once a year, and missing Pac is the same as Robinson missing Lamotta,, let alone five times!

[- Ram Raid -]

Floyd is the second best pro boxer ever???? hahahahaha ofcourse he is..........and what planet is he living on?
Hell he's a tuff sell for the top twenty at welter let alone the second best ever!!!!! Man you have to handed it to the "fanatics" they do love their noses in the brown but you'd think they'd learn something about boxing before such a ridiculous statement.
Ray.

I'd buy that without a guarantee. Does that make me gullible?

Your comment sparked a memory of something that you said in another thread that surprised me so I looked it up:

'I watched very few bouts from 1991 to 2005. . . Ray'

Do you think that's had an effect on your rating of Floyd and more generally, fighters from the last 20+ years? Because to my mind, a 14 year hiatus leaves a pretty big gap.

I do take into account of course that you also bring a wealth of experience that dwarfs anything that the vast, vast majority of people on this site (including myself) can draw upon when forming an opinion.

[mickey malone]

Robinson would've wiped the floor with Canelo..
Who rates Alvarez?.. I think he's a bum.

[- Ram Raid -]

But at least Robinson had the excuse of being too busy to face all of the best.. Floyd's a joke, fights once a year, and missing Pac is the same as Robinson missing Lamotta,, let alone five times!

Thankfully Ray Robinson never said of a Burley matchup, "I'm too busy choosing this fight to choose that fight", 'cause then him and Floyd would at least have parity on one aspect of the game!

Fighting less often makes sense in Mayweather's position. Also, it would be more like Robinson missing Burley, not Lamotta.

So while I don't agree with anything that you've said (in this post, and this post alone), I will say this, and I don't mean it to cause offence, I am genuinely impressed. That last sentence is hyperbole of the highest order!

Green k.

[RubenSonny]

Robinson would've wiped the floor with Canelo..
Who rates Alvarez?.. I think he's a bum.

Then you don't know what a bum is.

[-PBP-]

Interesting. So in skimming this thread I've learned that:

1: Whitaker was not on the downslide when he faced Oscar De La Hoya and that Oscar "win" is better than anything on Floyd's resume.

2. Calzaghe beat a prime Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler and Bernard Hopkins which ****s on any and everything Floyd's accomplished.

3. Oscar has done enough to have his name mentioned with Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard and Muhammad Ali

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Who was p4p #3 going into the Mayweather-Mosley fight?

Ring magazine rankings suck now that GBP owns ring.. They have broner and canelo in top 10. LMAO,,,, i dont know how someone could rank mosely at the time over guys like donaire and serg

You rate oscar Up with those guys or are you just talking about resume ?

Im talking about his resume,, and also he was the face of boxing, the top draw,, only floyd, oscar, tyson, SRL, ali can say that over the last few decades.. That is why i bring up oscar,, great resume and one of the few guys to be in floyd's position as the top dog in boxing

You cannot honestly believe that Whitaker wasn't on the slide at that point of his career.

Everything you say about Whitaker you can say about Mosley.

Lineal champ at 147, P4P #3, rocked Floyd badly on the second round.

Whitaker may have been on a slide but he was still an elite fighter,, difference between mosley and whittaker is pernell hadnt lost in about a decade, whereas mosely had been beaten by cotto, forrest twice, winky twice, got a gift vs oscar rematch,,,, Then suddenly he beats collazo, a shot vargas twice, shot mayorga and was in a close fight with mayorga, and happens to ko margs,, good win, but not exactly a great win streak when your basically 6-5 over the last few years with a gift vs oscar,,, pernell was a much better fighter, and fought a much better fight, than shane who basically looked horrible and old vs floyd,,, So i think its pretty unfair to say that pernell and shane were the same,,,

That is genuinely hilarious.

Whatever makes your day,,,, Calzaghe has at least taken on the other champs in a division,,, legit champs that are prime, active, undefeated,,, now when has floyd done that,,,,, been a champ and fougth other active champs,, he never fought casamoyer or freitas,, never fought johnston or spadafora, never fought hatton cotto, tzsu, maussa, harris,, never fought cotto, margs, williams, manny, tim,, he doesnt really campaign at jr mw so i wont make a big deal out of that,,,
But please tell me when floyd defended his belt vs another real champ,, corrales but corrales hadnt been active or at that weight, was going to jail,,, Floyd never fought another champ in his weight classes, in big unification fights like calzaghe,,,
So laugh all you want,, but please tell me the big unification fights that floyd has fought and won vs other active prime champs

Cats always move the goalposts when it comes to Money. Oh he's ducking x or y - then he schools that guy - and suddeny mr X or Y arent all that. It's bs!

I dont think anyone is moving the goalposts,,, yes maybe the idiots on NSB to that,, but i said from day 1 that canelo is not very good, very protected and that floyd would win a wide UD,,, and i said shane had punchers chance but no legs and he wont be able to keep up with floyd at,,, and thats exactly what happened,,,, Honestly, i did think ghost would put up a much better effort than he did,, floyd was very impressive in that fight, as well as the canelo,,, Im not trying to knock floyd's skills,, but when you compare him to other great fighters, his resume sucks and is filled with missed fights, faded names, paper champs, and not alot of big time showdowns, and thats a fact,, if you think ortiz or ghost, or baldomir or gatti or ndou or sosa or juuko are big time showdowns, then more power to you,,,, oscar fight was about the only true mega fight that floyd has had, and also the hatton,,, those 2 are about it

[RubenSonny]

Ring magazine rankings suck now that GBP owns ring.. They have broner and canelo in top 10. LMAO,,,, i dont know how someone could rank mosely at the time over guys like donaire and serg

Shane was coming off a huge win off Margs while Donaire was beating up on nobodies and Sergio hadn't beaten anyone of note at the timem unless you are suggesting that when Sergio beat Pavlik two weeks before that he should've jumped ahead of Shane?

Whatever makes your day,,,, Calzaghe has at least taken on the other champs in a division,,, legit champs that are prime, active, undefeated,,, now when has floyd done that,,,,, been a champ and fougth other active champs,, he never fought casamoyer or freitas,, never fought johnston or spadafora, never fought hatton cotto, tzsu, maussa, harris,, never fought cotto, margs, williams, manny, tim,, he doesnt really campaign at jr mw so i wont make a big deal out of that,,,

He didn't face a single legit champ at 168.

But please tell me when floyd defended his belt vs another real champ,, corrales but corrales hadnt been active or at that weight, was going to jail,,, Floyd never fought another champ in his weight classes, in big unification fights like calzaghe,,,

How on earth was he unactive? He had 3 fights in the 12 months prior to the fight all at the same weight he fought Floyd at. You are just making up things here.

So laugh all you want,, but please tell me the big unification fights that floyd has fought and won vs other active prime champs

Why do unifications have any meaning? They are between paper champs, at the end of the day the quality of the opponent is what matters whether its unification or not. Your giving Joe props for the fact that he beat an opponent who beat Manny Siaca for it to even be a unification

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Shane was coming off a huge win off Margs while Donaire was beating up on nobodies and Sergio hadn't beaten anyone of note at the timem unless you are suggesting that when Sergio beat Pavlik two weeks before that he should've jumped ahead of Shane?

Im sure there were other guys,,, mosely had one good win, 16 months prior,, I dont think you could have him ranked #3, especially since he had gotten schooled by forrest and winky a combined 4 times, and lost to cotto,, mosely was basically 1-5 in his last 6 fights vs top guys,, not really p4p top 5 material





He didn't face a single legit champ at 168.
thats a lie,,, kessler had 2 belts,, lacy had one and joe had one,, then joe beat them both,,, When did floyd do that???? please tell me the big unification fights he was in at 135, 140, 147.. I wont use 154 because floyd really doesnt campaign there so its unfair to complain about 154


How on earth was he unactive? He had 3 fights in the 12 months prior to the fight all at the same weight he fought Floyd at. You are just making up things here.
i stand corrected,, he had the layoff afterwards, you are right


Why do unifications have any meaning? They are between paper champs, at the end of the day the quality of the opponent is what matters whether its unification or not. Your giving Joe props for the fact that he beat an opponent who beat Manny Siaca for it to even be a unification

because they usually have top guys as belt holders, yes you will get some lower caliber fighers like Siaca that get belts, but for the most part there is always a really good fight to be made between champs,,, for example, stevenson-kovolev, serg-ggg, bradley-floyd, etc.. Especially if your a longtime champion like floyd is, there is gonna be huge unification fights like him vs cotto, margs, williams, tim, manny at welter

[RubenSonny]

because they usually have top guys as belt holders, yes you will get some lower caliber fighers like Siaca that get belts, but for the most part there is always a really good fight to be made between champs,,, for example, stevenson-kovolev, serg-ggg, bradley-floyd, etc.. Especially if your a longtime champion like floyd is, there is gonna be huge unification fights like him vs cotto, margs, williams, tim, manny at welter

But you don't though, why does it matter if they are beltholders anyway? Why not just look at who is a top fighter or not, my example just proved your theory wrong, the fact is you are giving Joe extra props for beating a guy that beat Manny Siaca, it's literally as simple as that. They aren't real champs and the fact that they hold belts doesn't make them top fighters, if they are top fighters they are top fighters, mentioning they have belts doesn't make any difference.

thats a lie,,, kessler had 2 belts,, lacy had one and joe had one,, then joe beat them both,,, When did floyd do that???? please tell me the big unification fights he was in at 135, 140, 147.. I wont use 154 because floyd really doesnt campaign there so its unfair to complain about 154

No they weren't the real champions they were paper champions, they didn't beat anyone that was arguably the number 1 or number 2 so they don't have a claim to be real champions. One beat Syd Vanderpool the other beat Manny Siaca, that doesn't make you a legit champ. Floyd beat better opposition than Joe and thats all that matters thats what is important when comparing them.