How do manny n mayweather do against the greats?

[Bolo Punch]

Mayweather and Pacquiao are both all-time greats, I don't think that can be disputed. What makes them great, however, is their staying power throughout their rise in weight. As Ray Corso says, they are not ATG's because of their time at Welterweight.

Here's how I think the fights would go...

Mayweather

vs. Duran at 135 - Duran beats him up badly. Wins by a fairly wide Unanimous decision.

vs. Duran at 147 - A bit closer. Floyd is harder to land cleanly on now than he was at Lightweight, but he couldn't hurt Duran at either weight. Duran would know this and take the fight to him with the speed, power and relentless activity like no-one else could, before or since.

vs. Hearns at 147 - Hearns by KO. Too big, too strong and just as quick. A no-brainer, really.

vs. Leonard - I think Ray wins by decision.

vs. Hagler - Floyd would be KO'd. No doubt. Hagler was a full fledged Middleweight who also happens to be one of the greatest of all-time at the weight. It's not a fair match-up.


Pacquiao

vs. Duran at 135 - This has the makings of one of the greatest fights ever with the clash of styles. Would be an excellent all-out brutal war. Since Pacquiao only fought once at Lightweight and that was vs. David Diaz, it's hard to truly judge his ability at the weight. Duran's one of the greats at Lightweight. I expect Roberto to win by a decision if Manny can take the beating for the full 12 (or 15).

vs. Duran at 147. More or less the same story as above, although I think the Pacquiao that fought De La Hoya/Hatton/Cotto would stand a bit of a chance. Duran by decision, though.

vs. Hearns - Hearns by KO before the midpoint of the fight.

vs. Leonard - He would just outbox Pacquiao all the way, unless Manny could land something big on him.

vs. Hagler - More or less the same story as with Mayweather. A full scale Middleweight fighting someone who started off at light-flyweight. There's only ever going to be one outcome.

[Ray Corso]

Not sure why Hagler is in the mix, he is a true middle and Floyd and Manny have never fought at middle and Hagler has never been below 160lbs!
I think some people aren't accepting Leonards abilities to add pressure and punch hard. I can't see Floyd standing up to him and I can see Ray pinning Floyd and hurting him. Floyd will not be able to use head movement on the ropes because the combination punching by Ray would be to much. Floyd would have to try and use laterial moves and "box with" leonard! Then you would see the size differences. Ray is as fast and has the power to hurt Floyd and I don't think that todays generation realizes that Hearns, Leonard and all the other great welters Sugar Ray etc are all much bigger punchers than Floyd and Manny! Ray

[rightsideup]

They are both among the greats, in their best weights they match up fine with most.

the problem is we are comparing them too hagler, hearns , leonard and duran when there best weights may be junior lightweight.

[Mugwump]

Mayweather has the speed, reflexes, accuracy and cunning to give any of those fighters more than a few problems. But whilst his phenomenal skills have proved more than enough to win titles at several weights he has yet to face similarly gifted fighters capable of sustaining ferocious pressure from the first minute to the last.

Of course, styles make fights. But I can't help looking back to the Castillo and ODH bouts and thinking he'd need to raise his game a lot higher to go from causing problems to winning.

In his prime Manny's weakness was his defence. I've no doubt he could catch and hurt any of the four. And with such power there's always the possibility of an early KO. But is it realistic to think someone so wide open can continue taking shots from certified heavy hitters past round four or five? I'm not sure.

It's not that Manny and Floyd are completely outclassed. Far from it. I just think the former gives away too many easy hits whilst the latter has never been put under the same kind of pressure he exerts on others.

[Ray Corso]

No such weight when your talking a "Great Fighters" you either a lightweight or feather! Junior is for the "juniors"! I think Floyds best is at 135lbs because of his over all size and body type. That puts him in with some serious fellows but I think he holds up pretty well, much better than at 147. At welter he gets beat by the top tier guys that had to fight perfectly to beat Sugar Ray, Gavalin, Basillo and then into Leonard, Hearns and then into Curry, Starling and those fellows. Manny could fit in anywheres between 126 to 135 but both benefited from the "junior weight classes" on their way up and collecting all those BS titles! They fit it in at 135 in the classic classes and at 140 in the allowance classes!
I need to bail on this topic because truthfully it isn't a great topic for discussion. They're great at 138 1/2 hahaha!!!! Other than that Robinson knocks them both out in the same week! Offer Sugarman what these kids make today and he'll knock them both out in the same night! I mean that too!
Ray.

[Barry Halls]

Stop comparing these guys to full fledged welter+ guys. They are NOT ATG welterweights.

They would have gotten whooped. They can beat ATG's in their natural weight classes.

[Suckmedry]

No such weight when your talking a "Great Fighters" you either a lightweight or feather! Junior is for the "juniors"! I think Floyds best is at 135lbs because of his over all size and body type. That puts him in with some serious fellows but I think he holds up pretty well, much better than at 147. At welter he gets beat by the top tier guys that had to fight perfectly to beat Sugar Ray, Gavalin, Basillo and then into Leonard, Hearns and then into Curry, Starling and those fellows. Manny could fit in anywheres between 126 to 135 but both benefited from the "junior weight classes" on their way up and collecting all those BS titles! They fit it in at 135 in the classic classes and at 140 in the allowance classes!
I need to bail on this topic because truthfully it isn't a great topic for discussion. They're great at 138 1/2 hahaha!!!! Other than that Robinson knocks them both out in the same week! Offer Sugarman what these kids make today and he'll knock them both out in the same night! I mean that too!
Ray.

he probably would too

[Daddy T]

fab four were at another level - end of. All of them would be favourites against both floyd and manny

[Main Source]

The Last Emperor should make a track called "Secret Boxing Wars".

[BennyST]

Mayweather and Pacquiao are both all-time greats, I don't think that can be disputed. What makes them great, however, is their staying power throughout their rise in weight. As Ray Corso says, they are not ATG's because of their time at Welterweight.

Here's how I think the fights would go...

Mayweather

vs. Duran at 135 - Duran beats him up badly. Wins by a fairly wide Unanimous decision.

vs. Duran at 147 - A bit closer. Floyd is harder to land cleanly on now than he was at Lightweight, but he couldn't hurt Duran at either weight. Duran would know this and take the fight to him with the speed, power and relentless activity like no-one else could, before or since.

vs. Hearns at 147 - Hearns by KO. Too big, too strong and just as quick. A no-brainer, really.

vs. Leonard - I think Ray wins by decision.

vs. Hagler - Floyd would be KO'd. No doubt. Hagler was a full fledged Middleweight who also happens to be one of the greatest of all-time at the weight. It's not a fair match-up.


Pacquiao

vs. Duran at 135 - This has the makings of one of the greatest fights ever with the clash of styles. Would be an excellent all-out brutal war. Since Pacquiao only fought once at Lightweight and that was vs. David Diaz, it's hard to truly judge his ability at the weight. Duran's one of the greats at Lightweight. I expect Roberto to win by a decision if Manny can take the beating for the full 12 (or 15).

vs. Duran at 147. More or less the same story as above, although I think the Pacquiao that fought De La Hoya/Hatton/Cotto would stand a bit of a chance. Duran by decision, though.

vs. Hearns - Hearns by KO before the midpoint of the fight.

vs. Leonard - He would just outbox Pacquiao all the way, unless Manny could land something big on him.

vs. Hagler - More or less the same story as with Mayweather. A full scale Middleweight fighting someone who started off at light-flyweight. There's only ever going to be one outcome.

The only issue I have is this. Leonard's chin was incredible, and even if he somehow got hurt early, his will was unbreakable and would prevent anything bad happening.

The psycho, still prime Duran caught him with a perfect left hook, staggered him, and hurt him a couple of other times to the body and with rights, but even a nutty Duran couldn't take him out despite being a smarter, more versatile offensive finisher than Pac. Don't think Pac would even get close to hurting him. Hearns couldn't really hurt him much either, and if Hearns couldn't, Pac wouldn't.