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I wonder what it was made him such a hard hitter 
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Explosiveness and timing. Power distribution is important in increasing the impact of a punch. If you lock up your arm, or waste power on backswing, it's going to wear the puncher out before the defender. His short arms allowed him to better throw 215 pounds into his opponent. That + timing the release of energy + speed = wowzah! I can only imagine what it would have been like with 4-8 oz. gloves from the pre-WW2 days.Comment
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Butterfly, that has to be the most inaccurate Muhammad Ali quote I have ever seen. You have just stated that Ken Norton and Joe Frazier did not really hurt Ali.Originally posted by butterfly1964
Are you forgetting that Norton is the man that broke Ali's jaw in their first fight? Or that Ali's three fights with Frazier did more damage to Ali than any other fights in his career?
Clearly, you are just so in love with the legend of Ali that you are not looking at this with a non-biased point of view. This makes your argument pointless. If you can back up any of your statements, then I will relent. Just saying "Tyson couldn't hurt Ali" does not prove a thing. Grow up!
Back on track, Tyson would have been one of the greatest had he kept his head on straight. He was dangerous enough that he could have taken out any of the major heavyweights of all time, including Ali. Of course, we will never know just how great Tyson could have been had that happened.Comment
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also shavers hit ali alot, and ali was done at that time, and nothing really happened, and IMO, shavers punches harder than tyson.Originally posted by mystyal2k5those punches didnt come as fast as tyson always remember speed=power
and tyson was already a hardhitter without the speedComment
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alright, maybe i should rephrase what i said. ali wasn't badly hurt. maybe tyson could rock him a little, but couldn't do enough damage to ko him. maybe he might go down, but he would be up at the count of three or four at the most.Originally posted by legend_killerComment
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I will look at this with an open mind. Tyson and Ali are two of my favourite fighters of all time. When I play Fight Night 2004, I always play as Ali. Yet I will always be left unsatisfied until they put Tyson and Ali in a game together, so I can create my ultimate dream fight.Originally posted by butterfly1964
Who would I pick to win? That's a tough call. That would be like asking me who I like better. I cannot give a simple answer for that, because both fighters are from different generations and are not anything like each other. The only thing they have in common is that they were both young champions who the public idolised. The major difference is Tyson lost his nerve and went on a downward spiral, while Ali fought on and basked in glory.
Does that make Ali better than Tyson in a reflecting sense? Yes. Does it make Ali better than Tyson in a pondering sense? I say no. It was the fight we never saw and will never get to see. The lightning fast hands of Tyson against the lightning fast hands of Ali. To judge one man above another is unfair to both men.
As far as this thread goes, the topic was how great Tyson would be if he had Holyfield's heart. We do not base this on how Tyson's career wound down after losing to Buster Douglas. This is based on what Tyson would have accomplished had he possessed Holyfield's heart and love of the sport at the beginning of his career. There is no way to tell what he would have accomplished, but there is no doubt that he would have achieved a lot more than he did in reality.Comment
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Tyson had alot of heart really, if you listen to the Tyson corner in the McBride fight before the stoppage it goes like...Fenech-Im the Fuggin boss, Im stopping the fight! Im the fugin boss!!!(Fenech is a ******!) Tyson-Nononono....Someone needs to kill Jeff Fenech, he sucks and is not better than Kostya...Comment
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Earnie Shavers and Gerry Cooney are the two hardest hitters in boxing history...Shavers hit twice as hard as Tyson easily, but it was always one at a time...Tyson was 5 in one second.Originally posted by butterfly1964Comment
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Wrong. George Foreman hit harder than them both (despite what Ali says, he was older in his fight with Shavers and was easier to hit, and George Foreman didn't land a single proper punch on Ali). And Shavers did not hit "twice as hard" as Tyson, he simply hit reasonably harder.Earnie Shavers and Gerry Cooney are the two hardest hitters in boxing history...Shavers hit twice as hard as Tyson easily, but it was always one at a time...Tyson was 5 in one second.Comment
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Hmm...along with Ali, I guess both Jimmy Young and Ron Lyle are wrong, as well, considering I have quotes from them where they stated that they both thought Shavers hit them harder than anyone else did, including Foreman, who fought them both.Originally posted by supaduck
Speaking of Shavers' punching power;
"Oooh man, that man is always with me. He hit so hard, THE HARDEST. I still feel his punches today." - Jimmy Young
"Shavers hit me so hard that it felt like needles were jabbing the back of my head. Without hesitation, Shavers was the hardest puncher I met." - Ron Lyle
Both can be found in the Oct 2001 issue of The Ring.Comment
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