Top 10 Greatest Fighters of All Time

[NChristo]

What are you talking about? The circumstances were as different as night and day. The two men were in a war. Randall got a headbutt in, probably unintentional, referee ruled it intentional and Chavez got cut. The Dr had a look and stopped the fight, it went to the scorecards.

I am talking about Chavez saying he didn't want too continue, the ref or doctor didn't stop it, Chavez said he didn't want too continue, he quit. Simple.

Not really night and day is it ?, fair enough it was a nasty headbutt, Chavez was leading with his head pretty much the whole night and those low blows ?, Randall is a tough tough mother too take all of them and just keep coming, Chavez couldn't slow him down and got out of there as soon as he could. Imo.

[Prince_Pugilist]

I've said all I care to on the issue. Duran pussied out. I can't put it more simple than that, he pretty much said as much himself, He didn't fancy the fight that night, rather ******ly he thought he'd get an immediate rematch. Duran embarrassed himself and the sport, his fans will have to learn to live with it.

[RubenSonny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYuY5d8GxFA

Around the 7:40 mark

Thanks btw.

That's not true but let's for a second say it was, as I said in my original post regarding quitting, if Duran has been taking a beatdown Id understand. Chavez was in a war and had fought a war earlier in their first fight. Randall consistently poked his head out, purposefully or not is a different thing. Chavez "quit" because he had been cut by a blatant head butt and felt like he was unable to continue.
Duran outright quit because he couldn't be bothered. He admitted that in a recent interview, saying that he thought he would lose this fight and go in for a rematch better prepared. I'm sorry but that's pathetic.

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[SBleeder]

I've said all I care to on the issue. Duran pussied out. I can't put it more simple than that, he pretty much said as much himself, He didn't fancy the fight that night, rather ******ly he thought he'd get an immediate rematch. Duran embarrassed himself and the sport, his fans will have to learn to live with it.

And that one fight negates the dozens of wars that he fought?

[IronDanHamza]

I've said all I care to on the issue. Duran pussied out. I can't put it more simple than that, he pretty much said as much himself, He didn't fancy the fight that night, rather ******ly he thought he'd get an immediate rematch. Duran embarrassed himself and the sport, his fans will have to learn to live with it.

But you're denying that Chavez quit in Randall fight which he clearly did.

[AntonTheMeh]

IF he beat Mayweather who is about as talented a fighter as u will see and then moved up to MIDDLE weight and beat the number 1 guy there and a p4p dude in Martinez then in my book he is right up there, baring in mid where he started out...

He wont though and wont crack my top 30

well that's the point surg. IF. I'm not saying it will.

[RubenSonny]

Excellent list... I'd be interested to hear why you include Holman Williams and Walker.


Signing off for the night. My Bears are falling apart against the fudgePackers and they need my undivided attention.

Thanks man.

Williams has wins over Cocoa Kid x3, Jack Portney, Jackie Burke, Charley Burley x3, Eddie Dolan x2, Izzy Jannazzo, Joe Legon, Antonio Fernandez x2. Jose Basora x2, Kid Tunero x3, Joe Carter x3, Eddie Booker, Steve Belloise, Jack Chase 4x, Lloyd Marshall, Tiger Wade, Bert Lytell, Archie Moore, Bob Satterfield.

Looking at his losses a whole lot of it was when he was past prime, he was already considered past it by the close of the war (around the Cerdan/Lamotta fights and from what I have read gave them both all they could handle). He has a few losses in his prime to lesser fighters but I think that can be chalked up to fighting very regularly against tough competition. Also he was only ever stopped 3 times, with 2 by near-prime ATGs in Burley and Moore and the last by Basora when both fighters were shot. Cocoa kid did get the better of a series with Williams, going 8-3-2. Cocoa kid was obviously very capable, beating Eddie Booker, Jack Chase, Jimmy Leto, Eddie Dolan and Joe Carter, also a draw with Charley Burley. The fact that Robinson was unwilling to fight Cocoa Kid when he was brought in as a late replacement opponent is a testament to his abilities.

Now while I don't rank strictly by resume like others do, I use resume as evidence to back up abilities, for the most part, resume and ability are pretty inseparable IMO. Based on Williams wins and accounts I have read he earns a place within the top 15 for me. I rank him as the best of the Black Murderers Row and I have Burley in the top 20 of quite a few lists (mine included), I don't think I'd have that hard a time arguing a case for him to be ranked ahead of Burley.

When I find my notes on Walker I will explain that as well.

[joseph5620]

No, just no. They asked Chavez if he wanted to fight and he said no. Sorry but Chavez quit.

He certainly did. He also avoided a third fight with Randall until both were over 40 years old. Chavez big fight career was prolonged by Don King that night. Chavez was getting his ass handed to him in that fight before he decided to quit.

[joseph5620]

That's not true but let's for a second say it was, as I said in my original post regarding quitting, if Duran has been taking a beatdown Id understand. Chavez was in a war and had fought a war earlier in their first fight. Randall consistently poked his head out, purposefully or not is a different thing. Chavez "quit" because he had been cut by a blatant head butt and felt like he was unable to continue.
Duran outright quit because he couldn't be bothered. He admitted that in a recent interview, saying that he thought he would lose this fight and go in for a rematch better prepared. I'm sorry but that's pathetic.

Revisionist history and pure BS. Chavez was coming in with his head low(the whole fight) trying to get inside Randall's punches. Which he was instructed to do by Emanuel Stewart. As a result he was the one who got cut... and quit. Chavez was every bit as much at fault. Where and when exactly was Randall "sticking his head out?" When you have to make things up to prove a point that explains everything.

[Mintcar923]

You mean he quit like Chavez did in Randall II ?, you can't take away Duran's achievements because of him quitting but somehow hold Chavez in such regard.

If Chavez had quit against Randall he would not have won the fight...