patterson and rocky

[QueensburyRules]

Butterfly, before you go saying dumb **** like that, it might be best for you to learn a few things about that time;

- Like when Marciano made the decision to retire (which was well before the annoucement).
- The Heavyweight ratings for that time frame.
- The odds for Patterson fights with both Hurricane Jackson & Archie Moore (Floyd was an underdog in both, especially the 4 to 1 odds against him against Moore).
- Who the hell Marciano & Al Weill associated themselves with and then who D'Amato refused to do business with.
- Some quotes from Marciano and those associated with him, stating one of the reasons he retired was because they're was a total lack of competition in his immediate future, which was echoed by MANY in the boxing business.

If you learn just those few things, you'll find that Patterson was thought of very lightly and in fact, wasn't even a ranked Heavyweight contender when Rocky made his decision that he was going to retire...He had no reason what so ever to be scared of a realitive unknown by the name of Floyd Patterson!

- -Heh, heh, nobody even knew who Floyd and Sonny were when Rocky retired.

[cfang]

- -Heh, heh, nobody even knew who Floyd and Sonny were when Rocky retired.

Yes! This has been brought up before. Patterson wasn't even a consideration when rocky retired and Liston wasn't even a contender.

The patterson beat Moore easier thing makes no sense at all. That thinking just doesn't work and never has. Circumstances are different. So Foreman ko's norton and frazier then ali has no chance right? Look what happened.

Rocky would beat Patterson. I don't think it'd be easy but hed stop him. Too big a punch and too much will.

[The Old LefHook]

Where are our halfwitted mods digging up the halfwitted posters? Who would even bother with a forum where young halfwits are convinced that Patterson of all people would beat Marciano. It is embarrassing.

[billeau2]

Is there a reason to dig up these old threads?

I mean these posters cannot respond... it is kind of silly. Just start another thread, or am I missing something?

Ha ha ha very funny Lefty I heard you say "a brain."

[QueensburyRules]

I mean these posters cannot respond... it is kind of silly. Just start another thread, or am I missing something?

Ha ha ha very funny Lefty I heard you say "a brain."

- -Most all have never been banned and obviously boxing fans and very well could respond.

Not long ago Cane responded and he's the guy who started the sticky heavywt thread from back when when legends stalked this forum.

Should we pollute the internet with another "How Good Was Ali/Tyson?"

I say nay and you say yay.

[billeau2]

- -Most all have never been banned and obviously boxing fans and very well could respond.

Not long ago Cane responded and he's the guy who started the sticky heavywt thread from back when when legends stalked this forum.

Should we pollute the internet with another "How Good Was Ali/Tyson?"

I say nay and you say yay.

Its not polluting to have multiple threads. It reflects different opinions per different times. They can be compared, etc. I remember Cane on two sites, and others like Green. Its no slight against the posters of old... its just understanding that glumping all that together is not well organized information.

And who was banned? that makes no sense. Who would ban someone like Green who along with Bundana probably know more about boxing infromation than anyone on this site? Green knew about every obscure fighter from here to timbuk2. I do think that some guys had enough of the trolls and consequently left the site.

[billeau2]

Some interesting points about Patterson: His strategy when he fought Liston was to try to get inside and tie Sonny up. Seems like a very bad strategy given that Patterson did not have the strength to do so. Sonny beat him up off the clinch...Watch the fights on Youtube. Sonny had a major strength advantage.

Patterson beat some decent guys... Chuvalo, Bonavena, etc. Had some battles with quarry as well, yet most of what gets mentioned with Patterson is Johansen and Liston.

But Patterson was not consistent. he lost to Ellis for example, and dropped losses to Quarry. He seemed for the most part to have a decent chin.

Marciano was an accumulation guy, he would not KO Floyd in the manner Liston did. As far as skills for skills Patterson had a decent chance. Where it gets dicey is in Marciano's will and persistence. If Floyd tried to tie Marciano up it would not end well for him. The question becomes if he could outbox Marciano in a fashion like Moore was doing to Marciano before he was dropped.

Patterson was in fact an excellent combo puncher, with good footwork, a good chin and he could do a lot of things in the ring.

To me this is not a "gimme" for Marciano, in fact one critiscism of Marciano was that he did not face many excellent fighters at prime. He faced ATG's in their twilight. A prime Patterson with all his weapons in tact might give Marciano a good run for his money.

Alas. Marciano had that will, that concentration and that ability to know when to pour it on, while pressuring the other guy all the while...And being on Floyd was not going to be like chasing a puncher who could end it like Liston for example... The intangibles so to speak... It is these intangibles that would probably find Marciano with his hand raised in this one.

[QueensburyRules]

Its not polluting to have multiple threads. It reflects different opinions per different times. They can be compared, etc. I remember Cane on two sites, and others like Green. Its no slight against the posters of old... its just understanding that glumping all that together is not well organized information.

And who was banned? that makes no sense. Who would ban someone like Green who along with Bundana probably know more about boxing infromation than anyone on this site? Green knew about every obscure fighter from here to timbuk2. I do think that some guys had enough of the trolls and consequently left the site.

- -What part of most not banned do you not understand?

Occasionally me ol buddy Scott surfaces, and he's been rip for over 5 yrs, so I always pay tribute.

[QueensburyRules]

Some interesting points about Patterson: His strategy when he fought Liston was to try to get inside and tie Sonny up. Seems like a very bad strategy given that Patterson did not have the strength to do so. Sonny beat him up off the clinch...Watch the fights on Youtube. Sonny had a major strength advantage.

Patterson beat some decent guys... Chuvalo, Bonavena, etc. Had some battles with quarry as well, yet most of what gets mentioned with Patterson is Johansen and Liston.

But Patterson was not consistent. he lost to Ellis for example, and dropped losses to Quarry. He seemed for the most part to have a decent chin.

Marciano was an accumulation guy, he would not KO Floyd in the manner Liston did. As far as skills for skills Patterson had a decent chance. Where it gets dicey is in Marciano's will and persistence. If Floyd tried to tie Marciano up it would not end well for him. The question becomes if he could outbox Marciano in a fashion like Moore was doing to Marciano before he was dropped.

Patterson was in fact an excellent combo puncher, with good footwork, a good chin and he could do a lot of things in the ring.

To me this is not a "gimme" for Marciano, in fact one critiscism of Marciano was that he did not face many excellent fighters at prime. He faced ATG's in their twilight. A prime Patterson with all his weapons in tact might give Marciano a good run for his money.

Alas. Marciano had that will, that concentration and that ability to know when to pour it on, while pressuring the other guy all the while...And being on Floyd was not going to be like chasing a puncher who could end it like Liston for example... The intangibles so to speak... It is these intangibles that would probably find Marciano with his hand raised in this one.

- -There was 2 Floyds, Cus and post Cus and n'er the two styles and fighters shall ever meet.

[billeau2]

- -What part of most not banned do you not understand?

Occasionally me ol buddy Scott surfaces, and he's been rip for over 5 yrs, so I always pay tribute.

I miss Scott. I understand why people take off lol I have been guilty of it as well.