best resume in way to being champ

[JAB5239]

Using my top 10 lost who has the best resume of "The Ring" rated top 10 contenders leading up to them becoming champion?

Joe Louis - Ramage #10, Carnera #3, Retzlaff #4, Schmeling #2 (loss), Ettore #9, Pastor #8, Braddock (Champion).

Ali - Daniel #8, Moore #9, Jones #2, Liston (champion).

Jack Johnson - Not available as The Ring Rankings don't go back that far.

Larry Holmes - Shavers #6, Norton (champion)

Foreman - Peralta #10, Chuvalo #7.

Lennox Lewis - Ruddock #7, Tucker #5

Tyson - no fights against "The Ring top 10 fighters before his win over Berbick.

Liston - DeJohn #10, Harris #7, Machen #5, Folley #1, Patterson (champion).

Holyfield - Thomas #5, Dokes #3, Douglas (champion).

Marciano - Layne #6, Louis #1, Savold #2, Walcott (champion).

Im a big Louis fan, but personally I think this Honor goes to Liston. He progressively destroyed a better fighter each time out and never stumbled along the way. Thoughts?

[Sugarj]

Using my top 10 lost who has the best resume of "The Ring" rated top 10 contenders leading up to them becoming champion?

Joe Louis - Ramage #10, Carnera #3, Retzlaff #4, Schmeling #2 (loss), Ettore #9, Pastor #8, Braddock (Champion).

Ali - Daniel #8, Moore #9, Jones #2, Liston (champion).

Jack Johnson - Not available as The Ring Rankings don't go back that far.

Larry Holmes - Shavers #6, Norton (champion)

Foreman - Peralta #10, Chuvalo #7.

Lennox Lewis - Ruddock #7, Tucker #5

Tyson - no fights against "The Ring top 10 fighters before his win over Berbick.

Liston - DeJohn #10, Harris #7, Machen #5, Folley #1, Patterson (champion).

Holyfield - Thomas #5, Dokes #3, Douglas (champion).

Marciano - Layne #6, Louis #1, Savold #2, Walcott (champion).

Im a big Louis fan, but personally I think this Honor goes to Liston. He progressively destroyed a better fighter each time out and never stumbled along the way. Thoughts?

Its close between Louis and Liston. But I'd say Louis, if you'd named Baer........surely he was rated no worse than top 5 (arguably 3rd at the time they met). That victory tips it for me..........on paper that was a very tough match for Louis!

[JAB5239]

Its close between Louis and Liston. But I'd say Louis, if you'd named Baer........surely he was rated no worse than top 5 (arguably 3rd at the time they met). That victory tips it for me..........on paper that was a very tough match for Louis!

Surprisingly he isn't in the rings annual rankings for 1935. It does seem odd he would fall completely out of the top 10 after the Braddock Loss, but this is all I have to go on.

[JAB5239]

Its close between Louis and Liston. But I'd say Louis, if you'd named Baer........surely he was rated no worse than top 5 (arguably 3rd at the time they met). That victory tips it for me..........on paper that was a very tough match for Louis!

You don't think the stumble against Schmeling hurts him though?

[joseph5620]

Using my top 10 lost who has the best resume of "The Ring" rated top 10 contenders leading up to them becoming champion?

Joe Louis - Ramage #10, Carnera #3, Retzlaff #4, Schmeling #2 (loss), Ettore #9, Pastor #8, Braddock (Champion).

Ali - Daniel #8, Moore #9, Jones #2, Liston (champion).

Jack Johnson - Not available as The Ring Rankings don't go back that far.

Larry Holmes - Shavers #6, Norton (champion)

Foreman - Peralta #10, Chuvalo #7.






Lennox Lewis - Ruddock #7, Tucker #5

Tyson - no fights against "The Ring top 10 fighters before his win over Berbick.

Liston - DeJohn #10, Harris #7, Machen #5, Folley #1, Patterson (champion).

Holyfield - Thomas #5, Dokes #3, Douglas (champion).

Marciano - Layne #6, Louis #1, Savold #2, Walcott (champion).

Im a big Louis fan, but personally I think this Honor goes to Liston. He progressively destroyed a better fighter each time out and never stumbled along the way. Thoughts?

I would have to agree. Based on Louis loss to Schmeling I would have to go with Liston. If Liston had lost a fight in that way leading up to Patterson, I don't believe he would have ever fought for the championship. But it's close between those two.

[TBear]

Great thead JAB5239, Louis surely did not take shortcuts on his way to the top I voted for him.

I believe Adilson Rodrigues was ranked #3 by the Ring when Holyfield leveled him. And cleaning out the top ten of the cruiserweight division was something else.

[Sugarj]

You don't think the stumble against Schmeling hurts him though?

Yes, it does hurt him in this context. It was a bad defeat, Schmelling boxed better than ever before, but Louis did have a bad day at the office for whatever reasons. Even allowing for Schmelling's excellent technical analysis of Louis's weakness of dropping the left after jabbing, he wasn't nearly as sharp, fired up and accurate as he was against Baer. The Sharkey win for Louis was another good win on his rise, granted he was post prime, but I'd have thought that he'd still be towards the bottom of the top ten in 1936.

I am very surprised that Baer wasn't in the Ring rankings after the Braddock decision loss. He'd have a good argument for being the 3rd or 4th best heavyweight on the planet after Braddock, Louis and possibly Schmelling. His previous destruction of Schmelling might well have still held many to believe that he'd beat Schmelling again......

[SBleeder]

Liston, hands down. Douchebag D'amato robbed him of the long title reign he deserved.

Tyson wasn't in the poll, but he did beat a lot of contenders before he became champion against Spinks.

[Cardinal Buck]

Liston has this.

[JAB5239]

Liston, hands down. Douchebag D'amato robbed him of the long title reign he deserved.

Tyson wasn't in the poll, but he did beat a lot of contenders before he became champion against Spinks.

I have been totally remiss with Tyson as I listed him as champion with the Berbick win. Before that he has no top 10 wins. This goes against the way I think of who's champion though and Tyson was only a titlist at this point. As you pointed out out, when he did become champion by beating Spinks he had wins over Biggs (ranked 9th), Tucker (ranked 3rd), Thomas (ranked 5th), Smith (ranked 2nd) and Berbick (ranked 6th). This is pretty impressive and puts him right up there with Liston and Louis, in my opinion.