Mayweather Jr vs Casamayor in 2000 (@130)

[IronDanHamza]

Mayweather beats him easy.

Different class of fighter.

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I wouldn't say he never showed it before, I think against Jesus Chavez at 130 he was already using those little dirty tricks with his elbows and forearms, just not to the same extant and maybe indeed he wasn't as effective with that back then. Maybe because he didn't have to with more speed and spring in his feets, maybe because he was still adding tricks to his game and improving. I think it's a little bit of both.

I think you are right it is both. He did not master those tricks back then cos he did not have to.

With Chavez he was using the elbows to make room and get back to punching. With Hatton he was perfectly comfortable abusing Hatton with elbows and forearms. At some point I was expecting him to throw some vintage Hopkins headbutt counter...

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That is a load of crap Floyd was every bit the fighter in 2000 he is now and FYI he fought Castillo in 2002

FYI if you read the whole thread you would know why we are talking about 2000.

If you think a fighter's game does not change in years and years of championship fighting and training camps (and body aging), you have a serious problem.

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You know, if you can't use your left hand comforably it's hard to box effectively with guy like Castillo. It also affects your mind when you think about your shoulder during a fight. It was also first time he was challanged in the fight, he had to face adversity and he was getting hit more than ever before. So there was plenty of things going on that wouldn't necessary take place if he fought different kind opponent that require different kind of adjustments in Casamayor.
But definitely that fight gave him good experience and probably helped him in the future/

You are right, it was the left shoulder and it would indeed matter.

In any case, up to Castillo, Floyd needed no adjustment in a fight. My point is and it seem we both agree on that, that Casa in 2000 would have required adjustments too, and it is hard to know what he would have done exactly.

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Mayweather beats him easy.

Different class of fighter.

I am sure you have seen enough boxing to have witnessed cases in which B fighters give hell to A fighters. Or not?

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I don't think this would have been a competitive or particularly interesting matchup. I have never really thought much of Casamayor, on his day he was a very good boxer but he struggled with and lost to several opponents who Mayweather either did, or would have wiped the floor with. Casamayor looks pretty damn good against guys who come right at him and have no versatility like Michael Katsidis and Nate Campbell, but whenever he stepped up to the plate against the best competition out there, he usually lost and even in the big fights that he won, he never impressed me that much, and I have always found his style rather boring to watch. He clinches far too much for my liking.

I think a fight between him and Mayweather at 130 would have looked a lot like the Mayweather vs Judah fight from 2006. Just like Judah, a prime Casamayor probably would have been good enough to win two or three rounds but overall I just think Floyd would have adapted to whatever he tried to do and broke him down, mentally and physically, round by round, and ended up dominating the fight after a rocky beginning. I don't see any advantages for Casamayor against Floyd. Except maybe his amatuer background. Overall Mayweather was stronger, faster, better defensively, smarter, had better stamina and had been in against much better competition. I could imagine Casamayor having small spots of effectiveness but I think like Judah he would have just ended up getting outworked and overwhelmed. I don't see why people think Casamayor would be a serious threat. On his day Casamayor was a very good boxer but Mayweather is on another level.

And I don't think people should be questioning Floyd's resume at Lightweight and his desire to fight guys like Casamayor and Stevie Johnston when he beat two guys that defeated Casamayor and the guy who beat Johnston. Jose Luis Castillo was the best Lightweight out there when Floyd beat him. He was rated #1 in the division and went on to rule again once Floyd moved up. A guy like Joel Casamayor was never a serious threat to Floyd's unbeaten record and the same goes for Acelino Freitas. Floyd beat the best Super Featherweight of his era (Genaro Hernandez) and the best Lightweight of his era (Jose Luis Castillo).

First and foremost because Casamayor fights nothing like Judah (except for keeping his right food in front of his left foot, that is...).

And because 2000 is not 2006 (but I seem to be a minority here.)

[IronDanHamza]

I am sure you have seen enough boxing to have witnessed cases in which B fighters give hell to A fighters. Or not?

Yeah, I've seen a quite a bit.

But, this isn't one of them.

Casamayor's a good fighter but no way does he come close to beating Floyd Mayweather.

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Yeah, I've seen a quite a bit.

But, this isn't one of them.

Casamayor's a good fighter but no way does he come close to beating Floyd Mayweather.

What 130 beltholder of the last 15 years (post-Nelson just to be safe) do you think would give PBF a competitive fight?

[IronDanHamza]

What 130 beltholder of the last 15 years (post-Nelson just to be safe) do you think would give PBF a competitive fight?

Since 1997?

No one.

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Since 1997?

No one.

what about after Arguello?