Did Hank Armstrong ever go up against a great boxer?

[JAB5239]

You can win titles in multiple divisions and still fight cherrypicked opponents that play into your style.

When there is only one title per division and only 8 weight classes? Please explain how Armstrong cherry picked anything.

[Toney Loc]

You can't win the only belt in the division cherry picking opponents.

Pacquiao has done it. The sport is being run the same way as it always has.

Promoters like to make sure their guys keep winning so they match em' proper to make sure they will most likely win.

Look at Floyd, lol. He becomes WW champ by picking Baldomir. As if that was the best WW at the time. Half of this stuff is politics, the other half is just greed.

[Barn]

Pacquiao has done it. The sport is being run the same way as it always has.

Promoters like to make sure their guys keep winning so they match em' proper to make sure they will most likely win.

Look at Floyd, lol. He becomes WW champ by picking Baldomir. As if that was the best WW at the time. Half of this stuff is politics, the other half is just greed.

I'm going to stop now as you've been playing dumb in an attempt to rile us all up for a while now.

Or I hope you have?

[IronDanHamza]

You can win titles in multiple divisions and still fight cherrypicked opponents that play into your style.

If there were great boxers back then, his managers weren't interested in putting him in with them. From the film, I could see why.

Its not as mind boggling as you think to have so many wins either. Chavez Sr. has about the same amount but you'd be hard pressed to find anything but bums. Its called padding your record.

Watching Ross I didn't get the impression he was a great boxer. Having technical ability doesn't equal great boxer.

But can you win the only title? In 3 divisions? At the same time? No, you can't. You had to fight the best to do that.

And you base that off what? You tell me the boxers he should have fought instead of the people he faced.

I didn't say a single thing about how many wins he had.

Barney Ross is absolutely a great boxer. That much is undeniable.

He's not slick but you can't have to be slick to be a great boxer.

[BigStereotype]

But can you win the only title? In 3 divisions? At the same time? No, you can't. You had to fight the best to do that.

And you base that off what? You tell me the boxers he should have fought instead of the people he faced.

I didn't say a single thing about how many wins he had.

Barney Ross is absolutely a great boxer. That much is undeniable.

He's not slick but you can't have to be slick to be a great boxer.

He can't. He just likes to think that he knows something everyone else doesn't, because Loc is sooooooo smart :smug:

[Toney Loc]

But can you win the only title? In 3 divisions? At the same time? No, you can't. You had to fight the best to do that.

And you base that off what? You tell me the boxers he should have fought instead of the people he faced.

I didn't say a single thing about how many wins he had.

Barney Ross is absolutely a great boxer. That much is undeniable.

He's not slick but you can't have to be slick to be a great boxer.

But that was what I've been asking. Has he fought a great slick boxer that counters and moves.

I know you can be a good stationary boxer, like Mosley for example, but that would play into Armstrongs strengths.

[IronDanHamza]

But that was what I've been asking. Has he fought a great slick boxer that counters and moves.

I know you can be a good stationary boxer, like Mosley for example, but that would play into Armstrongs strengths.

Barney Ross did counter and move but he struggled to apply that with Armstrong who was very good at getting inside and keeping it there.

Which boxers should he have fought?

[JAB5239]

Barney Ross did counter and move but he struggled to apply that with Armstrong who was very good at getting inside and keeping it there.

Which boxers should he have fought?

I don't know why he continues to ignore these things. Seems he is trying to detract from Armstrong BECAUSE of his strengths. Its clear in several of of his fights opponents trying to strategically move and throw punches only to have Hank force them to fight his fight.

[Obama]

Look, it's all well and good to see how Armstrong can be out boxed due to his technical deficiencies. Why did great boxers (and yes, they were great, perhaps you should watch them against other opponents) struggle to do it? Because it's one thing to pick a guy off in an instant. It's another to pick him off the entire round. It's a whole 'nother story doing it for a complete fight. Henry Armstrong was perpetual motion. He never stopped punching. Ever. His opponents basically had no choice but to run out of gas. And when you compare him to other fighters that always keep punching (not guys that hold and take breaks either mind you), you will notice his technical skills surpass them.

Conditioning and a chin is damn near everything in boxing. If you've got the best of each you don't need much technical skill to be the best in the world. That's just a fact. End of convo.

[Toney Loc]

Look, it's all well and good to see how Armstrong can be out boxed due to his technical deficiencies. Why did great boxers (and yes, they were great, perhaps you should watch them against other opponents) struggle to do it? Because it's one thing to pick a guy off in an instant. It's another to pick him off the entire round. It's a whole 'nother story doing it for a complete fight. Henry Armstrong was perpetual motion. He never stopped punching. Ever. His opponents basically had no choice but to run out of gas. And when you compare him to other fighters that always keep punching (not guys that hold and take breaks either mind you), you will notice his technical skills surpass them.

Conditioning and a chin is damn near everything in boxing. If you've got the best of each you don't need much technical skill to be the best in the world. That's just a fact. End of convo.

You just described a prime Antonio Margarito.

Still not seeing any facts. Just a lot of butthurt and excuses. Where are Armstrongs slick boxing opponents?

I stand by my prediction. Floyd absolutely destroys this clown.