Joe Louis vs both Klitschkos

[Spartacus Sully]

^ This guy.

then perhaps you shouldnt come up with straw man arguments for jabs posts.

[JAB5239]

According to you a welterweight like Mayweather has punching power equal to a heavy cruserweight or a small heavyweight.

No but Hearns or Pipino Cuevas may have been able to. And since you like to quote Manny Steward, he also said Hamed hit harder than Lennox. So I've just decimated your whole point using the guy you used as a source. NEXT!!

[Mr. Invincible]

so lets say 250 lb so lets say 113 kg its about 249 lbs

and lets say 200 lb so lets say 90 kg thats 198 lbs

so lets say the 250 lb person punches at 20 kmph thats 20000 Meters per hour so thats 5.5555555555 meters per second

so we have .5 * 113 * 5.55555^2 = 1743.8

so lets see how this compares with out 500 lber punching at 25 kmph or 6.94 Meters per second

sooo now we take .5 *90 * 6.94^2 = 2167.3 guess thats too much

lets try 22 Kmph or 6.11111 meters per second

.5*90 * 6.11^2 = 1679 well thats close enough.

soo essentially what this says is 50 lbs difference is a matter of 2-3 Kmph in punching speed or 1.2 - 1.8 mph.

but of course thats just the energy the fist contains assuming perfect technique and transfer of weight into the punch. as well the elasticity of the object plays a fair importance in how much of this possible energy transfers over. and even then the size of the fist factors into elasticity as a smaller fist has more force per square inch so it can transfer more energy into the object in the short period of time before the object moves from being punched.

which speed is a big factor in as well as the body moving away will have to reach a higher speed before contact is lost allowing for more energy to be transferred so not only do you contain the same amount of possible energy in the punch the one with the higher speed has a greater capacity for transferring its energy.

No need to use equation here. Why? Simple, there is no formula to properly calculate it. It's teqnique plus the speed to weight ratio.
Example: Mayweather punches harder than Paulie M. at 140 when they have very comparable hand speed. (waiting for clever comeback which is 100% gauranteed even though there's no real argument to my statement)

[JAB5239]

Did Joe Louis ever face a tall guy who used his height and reach so perfectly that he was never outboxed in his entire career?

Lol, look at the competition though! Those guys weren't anywhere near the caliber of Louis.

[Spartacus Sully]

No need to use equation here. Why? Simple, there is no formula to properly calculate it. It's teqnique plus the speed to weight ratio.
Example: Mayweather punches harder than Paulie M. at 140 when they have very comparable hand speed. (waiting for cleaver comeback which is 100% gauranteed even though there's no real argument to my statement)

we are talking about the speed of the fist at impact, welcome to the conversation.

[Mr. Invincible]

how so?

use math please, the basic equation is 1/2 mass * velocity ^ 2

bob fitzsimmons knocked out 250 lb men at 160.

i dont know about mayweather but id agree that plenty of middle weights and up have power equal to heavies, just not the chin.

as well the longer reach of taller fighters allows for a higher top speed at impact, so shorter fighters with a shorter reach wont be able to achive the same speed at impact, but at the same time can throw punches in rapid fire much more quickly because they dont have to punch as far.

Having knocked out a few bums who basically had no business prize fighting in the first place just doesn't ring valid in this discussion in my opinion. It's not the same as knocking out a contender that happened to be that size. If you don't know how to fight in the first place a flyweight can knock out a heavyweight.

[Mr. Invincible]

we are talking about the speed of the fist at impact, welcome to the conversation.

As I stated, theres the delivery of the clever comeback.

[JAB5239]

Having knocked out a few bums who basically had no business prize fighting in the first place just doesn't ring valid in this discussion in my opinion. It's not the same as knocking out a contender that happened to be that size. If you don't know how to fight in the first place a flyweight can knock out a heavyweight.

Lmao @ this guy talking about bums! He equates losses to being a bum fighter but ignores soft padded records.

[Superflo777]

then perhaps you shouldnt come up with straw man arguments for jabs posts.

Straw man arguments? You basically claimed Joe Louis hits harder than Wlad and everyone disagrees with you. Deal with it!

[Jim Jeffries]

Are people seriously arguing that Joe Louis isn't a big/accurate/prolific enough puncher to bother either Klitscko?