Joe Louis vs both Klitschkos

[JAB5239]

Straw man arguments? You basically claimed Joe Louis hits harder than Wlad and everyone disagrees with you. Deal with it!

Who is everyone, you and Invisible? There is no way to prove who hits harder. But there is definite proof Louis is capable of knocking out today sized heavyweights. Am I wrong?

[them_apples]

there are too many factors deciding punching power. Velocity and weight are some, but what about technique. Some men are big men but don't use their entire body/weight.

Lewis and Foreman for example, Lewis had decent power but he threw punches like a typical boxer. Foreman planted his feet and got full leverage. There is also weight distribution and strength itself.

That said, Louis probably doesn't hit harder than the K bros, but p4p it's close, and he's a lot more likely to catch an opponent in the right spot and stop them, as opposed to the K bros robotic approach.

Another example is Tyson and Bruno, I think Bruno actually had a harder right hand, but Tyson was so fast when a big man catches you like that it's lights out. Tyson was always considered the more devistating puncher.

Getting hit in the forehead by 1500 lbs of force is a lot better then even 500 to the chin, especially if you aren't braced for it.

I've seen 215 lb men take beatings from 250 lb men and not go down, so the chin factor is always there as well. Generally head and skull sizes don't always scale in proportion to body sizes. Naturally big boned men tend to have bigger hands and skulls though, usually having better chins as well.

In my opinion Louis has a pretty solid noggin, so he could hang in there with the klitschkos just like Chisora did. I think weight will become a factor though, because Louis won't use his lighter weight to box, move, or cut angles. No he's coming to **** and he's at a massive size disadvantage.

the fight is 50/50 for me. They both fought below average competition, Although Louis fought some better names near the end of his career, but they likewise weren't easy fights for him by any stretch.

He's probably got a better shot against Wlad though. 60/40 in that fight.

[Superflo777]

Who is everyone, you and Invisible? There is no way to prove who hits harder. But there is definite proof Louis is capable of knocking out today sized heavyweights. Am I wrong?

As far as I recall you disagreed too, or at least said you don't know it. Why don't you tell me who you believe punched/punches harder.

[Spartacus Sully]

Straw man arguments? You basically claimed Joe Louis hits harder than Wlad and everyone disagrees with you. Deal with it!

yeah, when you go argueing with jab about things i said after you have been pwned by science is a straw man argument.

you cant disprove math.

one half mass * velocity squared

ONE HALF MASS * VELOCITY SQUARED!!!!

your logic has been pwned by physics, thank you, and have a nice day.

[JAB5239]

As far as I recall you disagreed too, or at least said you don't know it. Why don't you tell me who you believe punched/punches harder.

I disagreed? Where? I haven't said one hits harder than the other. I've said Louis has the PROVEN power to knock out today's heavies

[Joeyzagz]

So out of the history of heavyweight boxing this has happened only a handful of times and based on that and Vitali's record it's a 2 in 46 chance of it happening again if he were to fight Louis. I will agree to those being that odds on Louis beating Vitali. The only blueprint to beating Vitali is injuring him and I don't think that's what Joe would enter the fight thinking.

2-46 are the odds for a random fighter.... The record is actually 0-2 for Vitali against decent fighters.

IF Vitali had been injured against Sosnoski or Gomez, then Id call that a random stroke of luck. But for him to FAIL against Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis, two men who have a history of beating good fighters: (David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Vitali Klitschko) Its difficult for you to pass that off as mere coincidence. Logically you just cant.

Vitali is a good fighter with an effective style, but his style has not produced WINS against other good fighters. Just the truth.

[Superflo777]

2-46 are the odds for a random fighter.... The record is actually 0-2 for Vitali against decent fighters.

IF Vitali had been injured against Sosnoski or Gomez, then Id call that a random stroke of luck. But for him to FAIL against Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis, two men who have a history of beating good fighters: (David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Vitali Klitschko) Its difficult for you to pass that off as mere coincidence. Logically you just cant.

Vitali is a good fighter with an effective style, but his style has not produced WINS against other good fighters. Just the truth.

IMO Tomasz Adamek has a better resume than Byrd.

[JAB5239]

IMO Tomasz Adamek has a better resume than Byrd.

Not as a heavyweight he doesn't.

[Superflo777]

Not as a heavyweight he doesn't.

He's still the better overall fighter IMO. Also KO'd Golota.

[IronDanHamza]

Louis stops them both.