Why do so many of you hate on muhammad ali?

[Heckler]

Thats true, since Ali isn't designed for street fights.

Designed? on the streets the only advantage Joe has is punching power. Ali has the advantage in physical strength, speed, reach. Yaman im a Ali nut-hugger because im 50/50 on who would win? provide logical reasoning for Frazier winning... all ive seen from people on this thread so far is essentially: i percieve frazier as tough and mean, and ali as a fragile boxer... THUS FRAZIER KILLS ALI. Look at it technically and put these perceptions aside, Frazier didn't always dominate Ali when they started to trade, Ali would usually plant his feet and throw a big one two, frazier would take it and land a big left hook on the inside. Anything could happen, Frazier could come to Ali and get collected with a 1-2... its over. Frazier could come in, Ali throws, doesn't hit him cleanly... Frazier however lands a huge left hook... its over. Frazier comes at Ali, Ali pops out straight punches which don't land cleanly, Frazier throws his on the inside which don't land cleanly... Ali grabs him, they fall to the ground... anyones game. Its not as straightforward as alot of you are implying.

[Heckler]

Ali fought very well in the FOTC considering the circumstances. He had come off his layoff, did have ring rust, only had 2 tuneup fights when in reality against a fighter of Joe's quality (which he grossly underestimated)he should of had atleast double that. He hadn't yet adapted his style to his new physical characteristics. However, Ali was a still a formidable opponent and Frazier was simply the better fighter on the night. He was mentally prepared, driven and as a result won the most significant fight in boxing history. I do believe that Ali would beat Frazier prime for prime, i think he had the physical gifts required to do this. His stamina and ability to move fluidly for long periods of time would offset Joe's huge workrate. Obviously Frazier15thround is going to use his famous line 'Frazier would beat Ali in his prime, Ali said so himself' - Ali said alot of things, and i have read quotes of Ali that say the exact opposite. People often say such things to be modest. Joe Louis said Rocky Marciano would beat him, but i can guarantee alot of historians beg to differ. Frazier was a great fighter no doubt and probably one of the very hardest matchups for Ali out of all the greats of the past.

[Yogi]

I might be confused with the 13th? Im trying to go on memory also.

Ah, I don't know, man...There were plenty of moments throughout that fight where Ali stood flatfooted for a moment & flurried, and he was usually getting a left hook or two in reponse when he did so.

The 13th?

I think that was probably Ali's best round after the 9th, because he took a pretty good butt kicking during the 10th, 11th and 12th (and the 14th & 15th, as well)...A good comeback round for him and even though he may have edged it with some flurries to begin the round & from off the ropes, he still had his back to the ropes for much of that round and getting punished by Joe (last half, basically).

You know, you probably were thinking of the 9th round when you brought that up, because that display at the very end of the round was probably Ali's most aggressive punching of the fight, as he actually put his whole body into a few, scored well with a couple of good left hooks, and even backed up Frazier during it...Still it was only a brief moment of about 10 to 15 seconds though.

[K-DOGG]

Let me begin by saying I love Muhammad Ali for who he is and who he was and what he's meant to the sport. But; in regards to the question at hand, here are the answers I've found to be true...


1.) Ali ran his mouth alot and disrespected Joe Frazier something horrible...some people never forgave him for that.

2.) People generally get tired of being told something over and over again, even if it's true. Everybody and there dad have been tooting Ali's horn for so long, a contingent of people, who disagreed a little to start with, now are vehement in their stand and that Ali was over-rated.

3.) The refusal to be inducted into the Armed forces. While some, such as myself, admire Ali for standing up to the government, others despise him for refusing to take the step and serve his country.

4.) Some younger posters who never saw Ali at his best are especially argumentative towards him because they cannot relate to seeing him fight live and can't believe that some guy who fought before they were born was that good....especially in context to Ali supporters who claim he could have beaten their "god" Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis.

5.) Anytime a man claims to be "The Greatest of All Time" there are going to be opposing passions arroused. How many men have put on gloves, how many men have been the Best and reigned as World Champion, and what makes this guy think he could have beaten all of them hands down? This especially arrouses the old timers and historians who know their stuff as well as those who do not.....people hate arrogance.

6.) "The Lynyrd Skynyrd Affect".....some people hate Ali simply because some of his fans are so outspoken about his greatness that they're just tired of hearing it from them and Hate Ali as a result of Hating his Fanatics.



There, that's my reasons....hope that helps.

[tommyhearns804]

Who hates on Ali?If anything the man is the most overrated athelete in sports history.The greatest?Is that he is walking around with brain damage from all of the punches he took?Does the greatest end up that way?Nothing about Ali was great.He wasn't the hardest puncher,He didn't have the best jab or any other punch.He didn't have the fastest hands as you would like to believe (Ali slapped with most of his punches...I am sure the Foreman's Bowe's and guys like Lewis could throw slapping punches fast if they were as weak as Ali was)Ali didn't have a really good chin or guys like Cooper and Jones wouldn't of been able to hurt him with one punch.
Ali wasn't a good boxer.He was a head hunter with no real punch.Never going to the body,never throwing many hooks or uppercuts.Ali had a poor defense which is again why he is the way he is today.Ali got tired pretty quick which is weird because most fighters who can't punch hard had great stamina (And i know some of you will say well Foreman had poor stamina too right?Well Foreman only got tired in 2 fights and since the man had over 80 fights and was only tired 2 times i will say his stamina is alot better than Ali's)
So what did Ali do well?Fight alot of 180 or so fighters in the begging of his career.Kiss up to the white media by making blacks look ******?Did that make him great?Or did fighting better opponents when he was in his late 20's and early 30's and having them beat his brains out make him the so called greatest?
But yet people still pretend he is.
I will say this again there is no one greatest fighter.There are a few guys who had great skill.Guys who could do everything the needed to do or if they had a weakness they had some level of skill to get away with that weakness.Foreman had great skills.A great punch.He worked the body in his prime.A great chin.A really fast and powerful jab and a tough body.Lewis had a great jab.Great power in his right.He was calm and relaxed which helped him big time.Bowe had simlilar tools.Vitali could of been great if he would of stayed around longer and proved himself.Lyle could of been Great if he didnt turn pro at 27 or 28.You could name a few other people who were or could of become great.
But none of these guys are worshipped like Ali is.Nobody hates on the man.They should but they don't.

[Verstyle]

Who hates on Ali?If anything the man is the most overrated athelete in sports history.The greatest?Is that he is walking around with brain damage from all of the punches he took?Does the greatest end up that way?Nothing about Ali was great.He wasn't the hardest puncher,He didn't have the best jab or any other punch.He didn't have the fastest hands as you would like to believe (Ali slapped with most of his punches...I am sure the Foreman's Bowe's and guys like Lewis could throw slapping punches fast if they were as weak as Ali was)Ali didn't have a really good chin or guys like Cooper and Jones wouldn't of been able to hurt him with one punch.
Ali wasn't a good boxer.He was a head hunter with no real punch.Never going to the body,never throwing many hooks or uppercuts.Ali had a poor defense which is again why he is the way he is today.Ali got tired pretty quick which is weird because most fighters who can't punch hard had great stamina (And i know some of you will say well Foreman had poor stamina too right?Well Foreman only got tired in 2 fights and since the man had over 80 fights and was only tired 2 times i will say his stamina is alot better than Ali's)
So what did Ali do well?Fight alot of 180 or so fighters in the begging of his career.Kiss up to the white media by making blacks look ******?Did that make him great?Or did fighting better opponents when he was in his late 20's and early 30's and having them beat his brains out make him the so called greatest?
But yet people still pretend he is.
I will say this again there is no one greatest fighter.There are a few guys who had great skill.Guys who could do everything the needed to do or if they had a weakness they had some level of skill to get away with that weakness.Foreman had great skills.A great punch.He worked the body in his prime.A great chin.A really fast and powerful jab and a tough body.Lewis had a great jab.Great power in his right.He was calm and relaxed which helped him big time.Bowe had simlilar tools.Vitali could of been great if he would of stayed around longer and proved himself.Lyle could of been Great if he didnt turn pro at 27 or 28.You could name a few other people who were or could of become great.
But none of these guys are worshipped like Ali is.Nobody hates on the man.They should but they don't.

we have found butterfly's arch enemy im surprised u aint sayin nuttin about tyson like usual. but i better shut up before u do

[smasher]

Who hates on Ali?If anything the man is the most overrated athelete in sports history.The greatest?Is that he is walking around with brain damage from all of the punches he took?Does the greatest end up that way?Nothing about Ali was great.He wasn't the hardest puncher,He didn't have the best jab or any other punch.He didn't have the fastest hands as you would like to believe (Ali slapped with most of his punches...I am sure the Foreman's Bowe's and guys like Lewis could throw slapping punches fast if they were as weak as Ali was)Ali didn't have a really good chin or guys like Cooper and Jones wouldn't of been able to hurt him with one punch.
Ali wasn't a good boxer.He was a head hunter with no real punch.Never going to the body,never throwing many hooks or uppercuts.Ali had a poor defense which is again why he is the way he is today.Ali got tired pretty quick which is weird because most fighters who can't punch hard had great stamina (And i know some of you will say well Foreman had poor stamina too right?Well Foreman only got tired in 2 fights and since the man had over 80 fights and was only tired 2 times i will say his stamina is alot better than Ali's)
So what did Ali do well?Fight alot of 180 or so fighters in the begging of his career.Kiss up to the white media by making blacks look ******?Did that make him great?Or did fighting better opponents when he was in his late 20's and early 30's and having them beat his brains out make him the so called greatest?
But yet people still pretend he is.
I will say this again there is no one greatest fighter.There are a few guys who had great skill.Guys who could do everything the needed to do or if they had a weakness they had some level of skill to get away with that weakness.Foreman had great skills.A great punch.He worked the body in his prime.A great chin.A really fast and powerful jab and a tough body.Lewis had a great jab.Great power in his right.He was calm and relaxed which helped him big time.Bowe had simlilar tools.Vitali could of been great if he would of stayed around longer and proved himself.Lyle could of been Great if he didnt turn pro at 27 or 28.You could name a few other people who were or could of become great.
But none of these guys are worshipped like Ali is.Nobody hates on the man.They should but they don't.

Incredible! They taught a chimpanzee how to use a computer! What next? Peel your own bananas and wipe your own ass?

[butterfly1964]

Who hates on Ali?If anything the man is the most overrated athelete in sports history.The greatest?Is that he is walking around with brain damage from all of the punches he took?Does the greatest end up that way?Nothing about Ali was great.He wasn't the hardest puncher,He didn't have the best jab or any other punch.He didn't have the fastest hands as you would like to believe (Ali slapped with most of his punches...I am sure the Foreman's Bowe's and guys like Lewis could throw slapping punches fast if they were as weak as Ali was)Ali didn't have a really good chin or guys like Cooper and Jones wouldn't of been able to hurt him with one punch.
Ali wasn't a good boxer.He was a head hunter with no real punch.Never going to the body,never throwing many hooks or uppercuts.Ali had a poor defense which is again why he is the way he is today.Ali got tired pretty quick which is weird because most fighters who can't punch hard had great stamina (And i know some of you will say well Foreman had poor stamina too right?Well Foreman only got tired in 2 fights and since the man had over 80 fights and was only tired 2 times i will say his stamina is alot better than Ali's)
So what did Ali do well?Fight alot of 180 or so fighters in the begging of his career.Kiss up to the white media by making blacks look ******?Did that make him great?Or did fighting better opponents when he was in his late 20's and early 30's and having them beat his brains out make him the so called greatest?
But yet people still pretend he is.
I will say this again there is no one greatest fighter.There are a few guys who had great skill.Guys who could do everything the needed to do or if they had a weakness they had some level of skill to get away with that weakness.Foreman had great skills.A great punch.He worked the body in his prime.A great chin.A really fast and powerful jab and a tough body.Lewis had a great jab.Great power in his right.He was calm and relaxed which helped him big time.Bowe had simlilar tools.Vitali could of been great if he would of stayed around longer and proved himself.Lyle could of been Great if he didnt turn pro at 27 or 28.You could name a few other people who were or could of become great.
But none of these guys are worshipped like Ali is.Nobody hates on the man.They should but they don't.

well, obviously you hate on him. lol, you're worst than frazier15thround. you are the biggest george foreman nuthuger on this site. foreman wasn't that good to begin with. he besically relied on brute strength and and a little bity of limited skills his whole career. guy's like peralta gave him hell. someone like holmes could beat foreman. liston would be too much for him. can you in your inebriated state say jimmy young? young made him look like a fool just like an old decrepit ali did. imagine if it was 25yr. old ali. 25yr. old muhammad would litterally kill him! stop beating off to foreman!

[Heckler]

Who hates on Ali?If anything the man is the most overrated athelete in sports history.The greatest?Is that he is walking around with brain damage from all of the punches he took?Does the greatest end up that way?Nothing about Ali was great.He wasn't the hardest puncher,He didn't have the best jab or any other punch.He didn't have the fastest hands as you would like to believe (Ali slapped with most of his punches...I am sure the Foreman's Bowe's and guys like Lewis could throw slapping punches fast if they were as weak as Ali was)Ali didn't have a really good chin or guys like Cooper and Jones wouldn't of been able to hurt him with one punch.
Ali wasn't a good boxer.He was a head hunter with no real punch.Never going to the body,never throwing many hooks or uppercuts.Ali had a poor defense which is again why he is the way he is today.Ali got tired pretty quick which is weird because most fighters who can't punch hard had great stamina (And i know some of you will say well Foreman had poor stamina too right?Well Foreman only got tired in 2 fights and since the man had over 80 fights and was only tired 2 times i will say his stamina is alot better than Ali's)
So what did Ali do well?Fight alot of 180 or so fighters in the begging of his career.Kiss up to the white media by making blacks look ******?Did that make him great?Or did fighting better opponents when he was in his late 20's and early 30's and having them beat his brains out make him the so called greatest?
But yet people still pretend he is.
I will say this again there is no one greatest fighter.There are a few guys who had great skill.Guys who could do everything the needed to do or if they had a weakness they had some level of skill to get away with that weakness.Foreman had great skills.A great punch.He worked the body in his prime.A great chin.A really fast and powerful jab and a tough body.Lewis had a great jab.Great power in his right.He was calm and relaxed which helped him big time.Bowe had simlilar tools.Vitali could of been great if he would of stayed around longer and proved himself.Lyle could of been Great if he didnt turn pro at 27 or 28.You could name a few other people who were or could of become great.
But none of these guys are worshipped like Ali is.Nobody hates on the man.They should but they don't.

MUWAHHAHAH no-1 takes you seriously on this board, its awesome.. you put all this effort into you're post and no-1 gives a ****... just another ****** tommyhearns post that gives a laugh.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Tommyhearns is a brilliant fellow. I'm going to give him some good karma.