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  • Welsh Jon
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    Robberies?

    In which of these fights would you consider that the rightful winner was outright robbed of victory?

    Ad Wolgast KO 13 Mexican Joe Rivers (July 4 1912)

    Lou Ambers UD15 Henry Armstrong II (Aug 22, 1939)

    Joe Louis SD15 Jersey Joe Walcoltt I (December 5, 1947)

    Muhammad Ali SD 12 Ken Norton II (September 10, 1973)

    Michael Spinks UD 15 Larry Holmes I (September 21, 1985)

    Sugar Ray Leonard SD12 Marvin Hagler (April 6, 1987)

    Jose Luis Ramirez SD12 Pernell Whitaker (March 12, 1988)

    Sugar Ray Leonard D12 Thomas Hearns II (June 12, 1989)

    Julio Cesar Chavez KO 12 Meldrick Taylor I (March 17, 1990)

    Julio Cesar Chavez D12 Pernell Whitaker (Sept. 10, 1993)

    Evander Holyfield D12 Lennox Lewis I (March 13, 1999)

    Shane Mosley UD12 Oscar De La Hoya II (Sept. 13, 2003)

    Oscar De La Hoya UD12 Felix Sturm (June 5, 2004)

    Joe Calzaghe SD12 Bernard Hopkins (April 19th 2008)

    Manny Pacquiao MD12 Juan Manuel Marguez III (November 12, 2011)

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    • Flo_Raiden
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      Whitaker against Ramirez and Chavez no doubt. Also Marquez and Hagler were outright robbed by the judges. Their fights should have been at least a draw or a win in their favor. Hearns was also jobbed as well.

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        • Sugarj
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          Originally posted by Welsh Jon
          In which of these fights would you consider that the rightful winner was outright robbed of victory?

          Ad Wolgast KO 13 Mexican Joe Rivers (July 4 1912)

          Lou Ambers UD15 Henry Armstrong II (Aug 22, 1939)

          Joe Louis SD15 Jersey Joe Walcoltt I (December 5, 1947)

          Muhammad Ali SD 12 Ken Norton II (September 10, 1973)

          Michael Spinks UD 15 Larry Holmes I (September 21, 1985)

          Sugar Ray Leonard SD12 Marvin Hagler (April 6, 1987)

          Jose Luis Ramirez SD12 Pernell Whitaker (March 12, 1988)

          Sugar Ray Leonard D12 Thomas Hearns II (June 12, 1989)

          Julio Cesar Chavez KO 12 Meldrick Taylor I (March 17, 1990)

          Julio Cesar Chavez D12 Pernell Whitaker (Sept. 10, 1993)

          Evander Holyfield D12 Lennox Lewis I (March 13, 1999)

          Shane Mosley UD12 Oscar De La Hoya II (Sept. 13, 2003)

          Oscar De La Hoya UD12 Felix Sturm (June 5, 2004)

          Joe Calzaghe SD12 Bernard Hopkins (April 19th 2008)

          Manny Pacquiao MD12 Juan Manuel Marguez III (November 12, 2011)

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          Walcott probably deserved the decision over Louis first time round.

          Spinks probably shaded Holmes first time round, but Holmes arguably should have been awarded the rematch.

          I did shade the second Ali Norton match to Ali by virtue of the last round. Their third fight was more contentious.

          Whitaker should have got the nod over Chavez.

          A draw was fair in the Leonard vs Hearns rematch. Though I personally scored it by a round to Hearns.

          Lewis was blatantly robbed in the first match with Holyfield.

          Oscar should have got the decision in the rematch with Mosley.

          Sturm should have been awarded the decision against Oscar.

          Watching live I felt that Hopkins deserved the verdict against Calzaghe. But on rewatching I scored it for Joe.

          Similar with Marquez. Watching live I felt that he clearly outpointed Pac. But on rewatching and scoring, he probably only shaded it by a round or two.

          The other fights aren't fresh enough in memory.

          As for the Chavez vs Taylor stoppage..................err tough call. No one really deserved to lose that fight, it was a classic.

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            • slickhook
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                • SBleeder
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                  Originally posted by Welsh Jon
                  In which of these fights would you consider that the rightful winner was outright robbed of victory?

                  Ad Wolgast KO 13 Mexican Joe Rivers (July 4 1912)

                  Lou Ambers UD15 Henry Armstrong II (Aug 22, 1939)

                  Joe Louis SD15 Jersey Joe Walcoltt I (December 5, 1947)

                  Muhammad Ali SD 12 Ken Norton II (September 10, 1973)

                  Michael Spinks UD 15 Larry Holmes I (September 21, 1985)

                  Sugar Ray Leonard SD12 Marvin Hagler (April 6, 1987)

                  Jose Luis Ramirez SD12 Pernell Whitaker (March 12, 1988)

                  Sugar Ray Leonard D12 Thomas Hearns II (June 12, 1989)

                  Julio Cesar Chavez KO 12 Meldrick Taylor I (March 17, 1990)

                  Julio Cesar Chavez D12 Pernell Whitaker (Sept. 10, 1993)

                  Evander Holyfield D12 Lennox Lewis I (March 13, 1999)

                  Shane Mosley UD12 Oscar De La Hoya II (Sept. 13, 2003)

                  Oscar De La Hoya UD12 Felix Sturm (June 5, 2004)

                  Joe Calzaghe SD12 Bernard Hopkins (April 19th 2008)

                  Manny Pacquiao MD12 Juan Manuel Marguez III (November 12, 2011)

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                  I bolded the fights which I consider robberies. The rest of them, I either felt were close enough to defer to the judges, or I actually agreed with the decision.

                  Chavez/Taylor was a completely appropriate stoppage.

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                    • lightsout_finit
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                      I notice a lot of people using the expression "close fight"

                      It doesn't matter how close a fight was if the outcome was predetermined.
                      That's what a robbery is........

                      For example manny/marquez 3 was NEVER going to be given to marquez unless he kod him. They only called it a MD to make things look less bias.......

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                        • Scott9945
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                          Originally posted by Welsh Jon
                          In which of these fights would you consider that the rightful winner was outright robbed of victory?

                          Ad Wolgast KO 13 Mexican Joe Rivers (July 4 1912)

                          Lou Ambers UD15 Henry Armstrong II (Aug 22, 1939)

                          Joe Louis SD15 Jersey Joe Walcoltt I (December 5, 1947)

                          Muhammad Ali SD 12 Ken Norton II (September 10, 1973)

                          Michael Spinks UD 15 Larry Holmes I (September 21, 1985)

                          Sugar Ray Leonard SD12 Marvin Hagler (April 6, 1987)

                          Jose Luis Ramirez SD12 Pernell Whitaker (March 12, 1988)

                          Sugar Ray Leonard D12 Thomas Hearns II (June 12, 1989)

                          Julio Cesar Chavez KO 12 Meldrick Taylor I (March 17, 1990)

                          Julio Cesar Chavez D12 Pernell Whitaker (Sept. 10, 1993)

                          Evander Holyfield D12 Lennox Lewis I (March 13, 1999)

                          Shane Mosley UD12 Oscar De La Hoya II (Sept. 13, 2003)

                          Oscar De La Hoya UD12 Felix Sturm (June 5, 2004)

                          Joe Calzaghe SD12 Bernard Hopkins (April 19th 2008)

                          Manny Pacquiao MD12 Juan Manuel Marguez III (November 12, 2011)

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                          My selections in bold. I've never seen the first two fights listed.

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                            • Barn
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                              Originally posted by Scott9945
                              My selections in bold. I've never seen the first two fights listed.
                              This although I felt Pacquiao vs Marquez III was a blatant robbery.

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                                • IronDanHamza
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                                  Harold Johnson-Willie Pastrano is more of a robbery than most of those examples.

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                                    • Sugarj
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                                      I forgot to comment on Leonard vs Hagler in my earlier post.

                                      I've always scored that one to Leonard, I've never seen the controversy at all. Not a hope that Hagler won 6 of the rounds in that fight to my eyes.

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