Who was a better role model for Black people? Louis or Ali

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"Rumble young man rumble..."

~Muhammad Ali~

[Forza]

Actually friend color means an awful lot especially to those that haven't been white. Things aren't as simple as you want them to be, granted I wish the world were this simple but it isn't. The fact is the color of one's skin makes a difference from how one is accepted, to what kind of justice you receive, or how much money you can make.

I'm not angered by this is fact, it is what it is, but to deny it, to act as if "white privilege" is a delusion of Louis C.K. is amazingly naive. I chose the figure that meant the most to me as an African American and stated as much.

It's a 2 way street with the way you're treated based on color, especially with PC *******ism running wild in America.

No doubt in Ali's time blacks were treated 1000x worse but times have changed and the white man now gets shafted to fill racial quotas

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It's a 2 way street with the way you're treated based on color, especially with PC *******ism running wild in America.

No doubt in Ali's time blacks were treated 1000x worse but times have changed and the white man now gets shafted to fill racial quotas

Well no, I don't actually see it as a two way street because "political correctness" no matter how run amok will never replace discrimination and racism in the US. Times have changed and there's no denying that and they were changing before Americans elected the first "black" president. So I can't in any way say that things have not changed, they have, but in matters that are most important to Black Americans like income, health care, and education we consistently lag behind.

Imho there is an institutional mechanism in place that guides alot of our behaviors, most folks are comfortable with the status quo and don't want to buck the system, even if it noticeably improves the everyday value of their own lives.

Racial quotas are an artificial solution to preference, it happens in daily life from who we choose to associate with to where we choose to live. Quotas don't address racial stereotypes, or common misconceptions or blind ignorance. Quotas are a means to level a playing field that inherently can't be leveled because some preferences are so second nature most people never think about what they mean or how they affect the lives of others.

I think this is one of the reasons I love Floyd Mayweather so much, he's defiant and speaks his mind. He isn't one of those kind of "compliant" sort of folks that puts fort an image of wholesomeness and humility, he let's his personality out and I really appreciate that.

[GrandpaBernard]

Ali did what he wanted and didn't get ripped off in the end

Louis broke his back for the US of A, and the system came down hard on him later in life

who would you rather be?

[F l i c k e r]

Wasn't Louis a playboy though? I can't seem to shake the image of him in a convertable with bad bitches in the ride. I swear I seen that a pic of him like that before.

Ali is just not a good role model. In terms of wanting to be on top of a sport, sure. To conduct yourself as a human being. No.

Andre Ward. That's a better role model.

[Barn]

"Rumble young man rumble..."

~Muhammad Ali~

Notice him gloating...

[Superflo777]

Though question to answer, but it should read who is the better role model for everyone, not just black people but in general. I'd still say Ali did the better choices in life, by resisting the draft (considering the circumstances) and supporting the black civil rights movement, while Joe Louis did just what the white man wanted him to do, and he got utilized and robbed by doing that (e.g. having to pay taxes for money he donated to the government). It more or less teaches people to always obey orders and not fight for your own will. Considering the time he lived in, it's understandable, but I'd still say Ali is the better role model for people in the end.

[Barn]

Though question to answer, but it should read who is the better role model for everyone, not just black people but in general. I'd still say Ali did the better choices in life, by resisting the draft (considering the circumstances) and supporting the black civil rights movement, while Joe Louis did just what the white man wanted him to do, and he got utilized and robbed by doing that (e.g. having to pay taxes for money he donated to the government). It more or less teaches people to always obey orders and not fight for your own will. Considering the time he lived in, it's understandable, but I'd still say Ali is the better role model for people in the end.

Or you can do what Ali did and do what the black man told him.

Works both ways.

[GrandpaBernard]

Wasn't Louis a playboy though? I can't seem to shake the image of him in a convertable with bad bitches in the ride. I swear I seen that a pic of him like that before.

Ali is just not a good role model. In terms of wanting to be on top of a sport, sure. To conduct yourself as a human being. No.

Andre Ward. That's a better role model.

Yea, he was.

Louis just kept it low key. He was very restricted and controlled in the public light.

[IronDanHamza]

I firmly believe that Ali was being used by the NoI. He was their greatest tool. As great as a fighter he was, Elijah Muhammad took his hand, crammed it up Ali's ass and worked him like a puppet for most of his career. And he wasnt very nice either.

Who didn't he do that to?

That was Elijah's gift. He somehow managed to get people to believe his bull****.