prime Jim Jeffries vs prime jack johnson

[rightsideup]

I think Jeffries in his prime would wear down Johnson. He might have had difficulty penetrating the defense early, but the power and strength of Jeffries would be too much in the end. I think Jeffries stops the swamp donkey in the later rounds with a brutal KO.

You seem to think it is proper to refer to the great black pioneer's of the sport in derogatory term's. Many people on this site do not approve including myself.

[Ray Corso]

I like Jack late by decs. I think his defense and offense is better than Jims and their power would even out after a few rounds! My recollection of these men size wise was that both were barely 6' not 6'2" and both fought around 200lbs other than Jim loosing 90 pounds to return and weighing in at 215+ I don't recall either man being anywhere near 220 pounds!

Lucas machine ; your obviously a young fellow but theres no reason to degrade a legendary fighter who was an intrical part of boxing techniques improving!
I'm sure you would never speak that way to Mr. Johnson in person!
He would open your head and spit in it, as others would! Grow up!
Ray.

[StarshipTrooper]

You seem to think it is proper to refer to the great black pioneer's of the sport in derogatory term's. Many people on this site do not approve including myself.

It's what the douchebag does. It's an obvious troll account and all he does is come into threads dropping racial slurs towards black fighters.

Poet

[louis54]

i think johnson out boxes jeffries for 15 rounds. jeffries i think was the all time best for 45 rounds.

[Rspen46]

Wills was the top contender then & beating everyone else, so that's a great argument, you guys that always want to defend something always claim, he was old, past his prime, outta shape, he didnt train right for the fight, wah, wah wah, just like Tyson as champ beaten cleanly by Douglas, don't cry about it, he got beat fair & square, so don't cry about Wills gettin whupped by Paulie, don't cry about Louis getting pounded by Rocky, I don't cry about Jeffries losing to Johnson, the question was in prime who wins, Jeffries clearly, he lost 110 lbs or more to get in some shape, after a 6 yr. layoff, look what Frazier did to ali after a shorter layoff, then look at the run Ali went on after getting in shape, if 2 guys step in a ring & fight, the winner is the winner, no excuses, it's a win or a loss, no crying in Boxing, no excuses, Holmes lost to Tyson, yes of course he did, I don't cry, but in Prime, Holmes takes him. if Louis beats Rocky, then you say, Louis the great still had it, well maybe he still had it & still couldnt win, maybe Wills still had it & still didnt win, they fought, they must have thought they still had something.
Stop making excuses for the greats when they lose & stop degrading the winners for winning cause the other guy had an excuse, if you want to talk Prime vs. Prime that's another story.

[rightsideup]

Wills was the top contender then & beating everyone else, so that's a great argument, you guys that always want to defend something always claim, he was old, past his prime, outta shape, he didnt train right for the fight, wah, wah wah, just like Tyson as champ beaten cleanly by Douglas, don't cry about it, he got beat fair & square, so don't cry about Wills gettin whupped by Paulie, don't cry about Louis getting pounded by Rocky, I don't cry about Jeffries losing to Johnson, the question was in prime who wins, Jeffries clearly, he lost 110 lbs or more to get in some shape, after a 6 yr. layoff, look what Frazier did to ali after a shorter layoff, then look at the run Ali went on after getting in shape, if 2 guys step in a ring & fight, the winner is the winner, no excuses, it's a win or a loss, no crying in Boxing, no excuses, Holmes lost to Tyson, yes of course he did, I don't cry, but in Prime, Holmes takes him. if Louis beats Rocky, then you say, Louis the great still had it, well maybe he still had it & still couldnt win, maybe Wills still had it & still didnt win, they fought, they must have thought they still had something.
Stop making excuses for the greats when they lose & stop degrading the winners for winning cause the other guy had an excuse, if you want to talk Prime vs. Prime that's another story.

I still like Johnson to win in a very close fight prime vs prime but I concede that Jeffries is much more dangerous and capable and you bring some very valid points to support your viewpoint.

[Ray Corso]

Repen46; theres no excusses about Louis and Rocky the facts are that Rock was 28 yrs old and Joe was a very olf 38yrs! Joe had retuired but was forced back in the fight game for tax fraud. (highly questionable but the facts non the less) Heavyweights back then who fought often didn't wear neatly and Joe was in bad condition and in later yers Rocky had a notorious bad back that crippled him up and hid training camps were short and trying!!
These are facts about the careers and thats what we're discussing not making excusses at all! Ali vs Holmes wasn't a pleasing bout to watch, Ali feel into the mix with King and **** happened! He trained to make weight and look great, he did 217lbs to bad he didn't train to fight! He was from himself by then but it counts on his record, just not very much to people whpo know boxing history!
Ray

[joseph5620]

Wills was the top contender then & beating everyone else, so that's a great argument, you guys that always want to defend something always claim, he was old, past his prime, outta shape, he didnt train right for the fight, wah, wah wah, just like Tyson as champ beaten cleanly by Douglas, don't cry about it, he got beat fair & square, so don't cry about Wills gettin whupped by Paulie, don't cry about Louis getting pounded by Rocky, I don't cry about Jeffries losing to Johnson, the question was in prime who wins, Jeffries clearly, he lost 110 lbs or more to get in some shape, after a 6 yr. layoff, look what Frazier did to ali after a shorter layoff, then look at the run Ali went on after getting in shape, if 2 guys step in a ring & fight, the winner is the winner, no excuses, it's a win or a loss, no crying in Boxing, no excuses, Holmes lost to Tyson, yes of course he did, I don't cry, but in Prime, Holmes takes him. if Louis beats Rocky, then you say, Louis the great still had it, well maybe he still had it & still couldnt win, maybe Wills still had it & still didnt win, they fought, they must have thought they still had something.
Stop making excuses for the greats when they lose & stop degrading the winners for winning cause the other guy had an excuse, if you want to talk Prime vs. Prime that's another story.

If a fighter is old and past prime, that's not an excuse. It's a fact and natural occurrence in life. It's also a poor example to use when you are discussing what two fighters would do in their prime.

You're also contradicting yourself. You claim that you never use this as an excuse but you're quick to point it out in regards to Johnson-Jeffries. Obviously Jeffries was past his prime but you can't have it both ways by pointing that out while overlooking it for the other fighters you mentioned.

[Rspen46]

He was asked that question shortly after losing to Johnson, I've seen many say that after a tough loss and some have fought again to beat that same person, it's typical after taking a beating, especially outta shape and old to forget how awesome your were in your Prime years, i'm sure that story changed once he had time to gather his thoughts and realize the truth, great fight, pretty even, but Johnson by UD or SD.

[QueensburyRules]

He was asked that question shortly after losing to Johnson, I've seen many say that after a tough loss and some have fought again to beat that same person, it's typical after taking a beating, especially outta shape and old to forget how awesome your were in your Prime years, i'm sure that story changed once he had time to gather his thoughts and realize the truth, great fight, pretty even, but Johnson by UD or SD.

- -Facts is facts sonny, and prime to prime and best to best Jeff was beating better fighters than JJ.

When JJ had his best chance to beat a prime Jeff, he didn't show up against Hart and got DQed for low blows against Jeannette.

I'm 100 % certain I coulda whoop a 40 yr old sick Ali , but not only would that not make me the greatest, I've never picked on or bullied any of my physical lessors.

My momma taught me proper manners and I glad of it.