My alltime heavyweight top 25. Whats yours?

[Bolo Punch]

Ive posted my list many times. The Heavyweight champ should be the baddest man on the planet. A guy who could knock out anything with two legs regardless of discipline. Ali is not that type a guy, hes good but I just cant have a feather fister as the best Heavyweight ever. This is why I approve of you giving Joe Louis the nod, a man of power.

Heres mine:

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Max Schmelling
3. Joe Louis
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. George Foreman
6. John L Sullivan
7. Max Baer
8. Sonny Liston
9. Mike Tyson
10. Vitali Klitschko
11. Muhammad Ali
12. Harry Wills
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jack Dempsey
16. Rid**** Bowe
17. Joe Frazier
18. Larry Holmes
19. Jack Johnson
20. Samuel Langford
21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Jim Jeffries
24. Oliver Mccall
25. Earnie Shavers

[SBleeder]

Ive posted my list many times. The Heavyweight champ should be the baddest man on the planet. A guy who could knock out anything with two legs regardless of discipline. Ali is not that type a guy, hes good but I just cant have a feather fister as the best Heavyweight ever. This is why I approve of you giving Joe Louis the nod, a man of power.

Heres mine:

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Max Schmelling
3. Joe Louis
4. Bob Fitzsimmons
5. George Foreman
6. John L Sullivan
7. Max Baer
8. Sonny Liston
9. Mike Tyson
10. Vitali Klitschko
11. Muhammad Ali
12. Harry Wills
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jack Dempsey
16. Rid**** Bowe
17. Joe Frazier
18. Larry Holmes
19. Jack Johnson
20. Samuel Langford
21. Gentleman Jim Corbett
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Jim Jeffries
24. Oliver Mccall
25. Earnie Shavers

And yet... Ali knocked out two of the guys you have ranked ahead of him.

[JAB5239]

So Tunney beats Dempsey twice & you have him ranked 25th & below Baer & some others, and you believe a 5-6 Sam Langford beats all the guys you have ranked under him, and J. Johnson so high, yet J. Jeffries so low, Jeffries went that whole fight with Johnson after years of not fighting, weighing well over 300 lbs. & have to lose nearly a 100 or more in a short time just to fight him, I say Jeffries beats him in shape & in prime, what's on Johnson's resume that gets him ranked so high, he did his best to avoid every great fighter he could, including Langford, he fought Jeannette & Mcvey when they were young & starting to get good. I think tunney if he had not retired, may have beaten Schmeling & baer at an older age even, definitely in his prime he would have, and K. Norton, seriously, I could find 10 guys or more I would pick over Norton, he may not beat D. Tua, or T. Morrison & I think Cooney does what he did against even a Prime Norton,

My list based on who you beat and when you beat them as well as other considerations such as conditions a fighter faced. Very little of it had to do with who I thought may or may not have won in mythical h2h fights.

[JAB5239]

And yet... Ali knocked out two of the guys you have ranked ahead of him.

I like Zags, but that list is hard to justify.

[Panamaniac]

I only do top 10, as I'm only interested in the very elite of every conceivable Boxing category. That said, here goes...

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Tyson
5. Foreman
6. Johnson
7. Liston
8. Marciano
9. Dempsey
10. Frazier

[rightsideup]

I only do top 10, as I'm only interested in the very elite of every conceivable Boxing category. That said, here goes...

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Tyson
5. Foreman
6. Johnson
7. Liston
8. Marciano
9. Dempsey
10. Frazier

sorry my friend both Holyfield and Lewis rate above Tyson Imo

[StarshipTrooper]

The ATGs

01. Muhammad Ali
02. Joe Louis
03. Jack Johnson
04. Jack Dempsey
05. Larry Holmes
06. Sonny Liston
07. Evander Holyfield
08. George Foreman
09. Rocky Marciano
10. Mike Tyson
11. Joe Frazier
12. Harry Wills


The Near-Greats

13. Lennox Lewis
14. Jersey Joe Walcott
15. James Jeffries
16. Peter Jackson
17. Joe Jeannette
18. Rid**** Bowe
19. Vitali Klitschko
20. James Corbett
21. Floyd Patterson
22. Max Schmeling
23. George Godfrey
24. Ken Norton
25. Wlad Klitschko
26. Sam McVey

I'm pretty sure everyone fiddles with their lists at least some from time to time. Right now I'd flip Lennox and Wills and probably drop Evander at least a couple of spots over PED su****ions.

Poet

[LacedUp]

I only do top 10, as I'm only interested in the very elite of every conceivable Boxing category. That said, here goes...

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Tyson
5. Foreman
6. Johnson
7. Liston
8. Marciano
9. Dempsey
10. Frazier

Tyson has no place to be on a list higher than Foreman. No way jose.

[Emon723]

My All-time lists

1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Holmes
4.Foreman
5.Lewis
6.Frazier
7.Holyfield
8.Marciano
9.Tyson
10.Vitali Klitschko
11.Wladimir Klitschko
12.Johnson
13.Dempsey
14.Tunney
15.Jeffries
16.Liston
17.Charles
18.Walcott
19.Norton
20.Bowe
21.Moorer
22.Michael Spinks
23.Burns
24.Patterson
25.Baer

I dont rate Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey higher as historians always put Ali at number 1 and rank particularly Jack Johnson ahead of Joe Frazier, whatever they say on Tyson, he defend his title longer, 9 times, the Klitschkos deserves a place now among the heavyweight greats, and I only rate those who held world titles so Harry Wills is nowhere in my rankings.

[LacedUp]

My All-time lists

1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Holmes
4.Foreman
5.Lewis
6.Frazier
7.Holyfield
8.Marciano
9.Tyson
10.Vitali Klitschko
11.Wladimir Klitschko
12.Johnson
13.Dempsey
14.Tunney
15.Jeffries
16.Liston
17.Charles
18.Walcott
19.Norton
20.Bowe
21.Moorer
22.Michael Spinks
23.Burns
24.Patterson
25.Baer

I dont rate Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey higher as historians always put Ali at number 1 and rank particularly Jack Johnson ahead of Joe Frazier, whatever they say on Tyson, he defend his title longer, 9 times, the Klitschkos deserves a place now among the heavyweight greats, and I only rate those who held world titles so Harry Wills is nowhere in my rankings.

Going by that logic, Dempsey and especially Jack Johnson should be higher than Frazier? Why aren't they?

Also V. Klitschko over W. Klitschko? Based on what? And what do you base Michael Spinks on? Why is he higher than Patterson for example?