Cassius Clay vs. Doug Jones (1963)- Was Jones robbed of a win?

[notrecondite]

Two judges saw it 5-4-1 for Clay

Sounds about right, one thing is for certain, Ali did not look good that night.

1965-1968 i seriously think no one could beat him

66' and 67' for sure... unbeatable. Probably would have been unbeatable from 66' to 72' if it wasn't for the draft.

[billeau2]

Ali was less than impressive against Banks, Cooper, and Jones. That's how he got the Liston bout. Sonny thought it was such a slam dunk that he was training for a 6 rd fight and was out nightclubbing after training. At any rate, Sonny was at an advanced age when he believed his press clippings as he was going downhill and was rusty. Ali was young and improving and happened to catch Sonny at the perfect intersection of time just like Leon caught Ali so many years later.

Amazing how frought with "randomness" history is. Take a generally accepted notion such as Ali's coronation in outclassing Liston...and look at it carefully and wala! Add to this the Karma and history repeats itself when a technically, dentally challenged leon Spinks beats Ali in the same sluce of historical intersections....

Regarding the Jones fight Ali was often maligned. It was a close fight and there was no robbery in giving Ali the nod, but at that time Ali was hated for his outspoken qualities. Jones on the other hand was the Platonic archetype for the New York Fighting man: Harlem raised, outstanding ammy, tough as nails with skills and strength and not a loudmouth -----, to paraphrase the reaction many in the press had to Ali at the time. Hence bigotry and the percieved insolence of Ali was a factor in the crowd's reaction more than the belief that Jones had bested Ali in the fight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I have watched this fight a few times,,, it was close but clay did enough to win, but it wasnt a great performance,,,

I dont think you can call it a robbery,, just a close fight