Cassius Clay vs. Doug Jones (1963)- Was Jones robbed of a win?

[Warhawk46]

No, it was because Ali, aka Cassius, was not as good as the self-hype would have you believe. He was certainly beatable. Little Henry Cooper dropped him and if it wasnt for Angelo Dundee's ripping of Ali's glove, Ali very well could have lost that fight.

Ali was the self-proclaimed "Greatest" and later on her would more than prove this, but it is wrong to say he was so beatable, as many do, during the 60s.

He did many things wrong, and against the right type of fighter he would have been beaten. Luckily for him, the 60s didnt produce the greatest quality of fighters.

And I scored it closer, I honestly feel it could have gone either way. Ali has been the beneficiary of numerous "decisions".

I love Ali, and he is the greatest, but he is given a pass by way too many. He had serious flaws in his game. he was just so athletically superior he could overcome them.

[fistlegend]

1965-1968 i seriously think no one could beat him, the man was just a natural athlete like one we haven't ever seen before, he could dance 15 rounds straight, he could keep the same speed throughout the whole fight, and he was dancing then landing a jab, his fight plan was to cut em up and win by tko, he had a jab like no other, which stang every time it hit you. ali wasn't even developed enough at that time, nor was he fully matured when he won the title, when he faught cleveland williams he was at his peak, but he would've been at his 'real' peak if the ignorant u.s.a goverment didn't take his title.

[butterfly1964]

part of the **** performance was to decieve liston

i don't think it was. ali predicted a fourth round ko, and in the 4th, it was evident that he was trying to make his prediction stick. jones was fast, partly because he weighed under 190, and was pretty strong. the idea that style machups play out differently in some fighters than in others apply here. for example, ali struggled which frazier and norton, but foreman demolished the two with no problem. however ali comfortably ko'd foreman. the same apply here. ali struggled with jones but jones, despite his speed would be no match for liston. however, clay was somewhat still faster than jones and that speed would be enough to outgun liston. plus clay weighed 202 against jones and 210 1/2 against liston, which made him a little stronger while he kept his speed.

[Cereal]

i'd say he definitely took jones too lightly. after he couldn't nail him in the 4th he was frustrated and that didn't help matters. But i certainly think he won the fight. Although Jones was always in there Clay always appeared the classier boxer. and i think to say he was nearly knocked out is an exaggeration. As for the torn glove, there is video evidence showing there was a tear, it is not Ali's fault that his trainer was clever and advantageous, and people go on like the increased time was huge which is clearly ****e. HE would have won anyway, GOD BLESS ALI, THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES.

[butterfly1964]

i'd say he definitely took jones too lightly. after he couldn't nail him in the 4th he was frustrated and that didn't help matters. But i certainly think he won the fight. Although Jones was always in there Clay always appeared the classier boxer. and i think to say he was nearly knocked out is an exaggeration. As for the torn glove, there is video evidence showing there was a tear, it is not Ali's fault that his trainer was clever and advantageous, and people go on like the increased time was huge which is clearly ****e. HE would have won anyway, GOD BLESS ALI, THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES.

well said man, well said.

[Hydro]

NO.

Clay 7-3

[SuzieQ49]

the only fighter alis management avoided pre title was harold johnson, who would pose a horrible style matchup for ali. harold johnson literally shutout doug jones when they fought in 1962, he handled jones much easier than ali did. in fact jones gave ali a dreadfully close fight.

harold johnson is very underated, would have liked to see him fight marciano for the heavyweight title in 53-55

of course a prime ali would kill johnson

[butterfly1964]

bump......

[Salardo]

I scored it 5 rounds to 3 for Doug Jones with 2 rounds even.

[Panamaniac]

I watched the fight and thought Cassius pulled-off a close but decisive win (5-3-2), with an exclamation point on the final round! Two judges saw it 5-4-1 for Clay, while the ref saw it 8-1-1 for Clay (a shameless bias for the victor)

Judge for yourself (fight starts at 9:30 on the video counter):

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