Modern boxing: the improvements and decline

[New England]

for a start, the hand speed thing is NOT true,... Robinson the only name you can come up with ????..... There was Willie Pep.... no featherweight today could toch him,.. he'd easily outpoint any FW in the last 40 years,.... What about Packey McFarland... lightning... Pancho Villa... lightning..... Young Griffo,.. lightning..........Abe Attell.... Sam Langford... Harry Greb..... Les Darcy,.. Kid Gavilan,... Henry Armstrong.... Floyd Patterson.... Barbados Joe Walcott.... Freddie Welsh...... Barney Ross....................................These guys were just some of the guys with lightning in their hands.... Mickey Walker was damn quick too.... Tony Canzoneri... the list goes om.... Sammy Mandell & Jimmy McLarnin.////....... most of these guys also had sledgehammers fir fists...... They were fitter, more experienced, had a better and larger training pool............. They had inner city gyms in the U.S. that had more great fighters and trainers than you'll see on 40 pay-per view events,.... if you don't believe me google "Stillman's gym".......... up to and over 20 world champions on any single given day............... and I mean Champions when there was 9 weight divisions max and only occasionally some multiple claimants in some divisions.... see the MW and LHW divisions during the 10's and 30's........ two awesome decades brimming with talent...... McGoorty has spoken.

yuri gamboa cant hold willie pep's jock

but his hands are faster in my opinion

his upper body isn't quite as fluid
his punches don't flow quite as well, and his footwork is more like showing off than sound boxing (pep might be the best pure boxer ever)

but his hands are at least as fast if not faster. at least thats the humble opinion coming out of the new england region early this morning


the kid is unreal in terms of physical talent


every generation has their unbelievably fast fighters
but i do feel that the current lot of boxers focuses a bit more on speed as an institution and a means of winning fights and rounds, as opposed to merely one of the tools in the box.


i think its got a bit to do with the points amateur system of scoring. you basically have to land a punch in the amateurs to ensure it is scored
if it doesn't score it does matter. the system is retorted.
it makes for a very odd "fighter, if you want to call him that, growing up. they land punches and flurries
and then they back away and give the judges time to score the punches...

its horrible.

[SBleeder]

i think the technicals skills and overall grit and toughness has declined

and the nutrition, athletic training and have improved

i think oldschool from the mid 30's to the early nintey was pretty damn strong

but it has dulled down a litlle IMO

but fighters can have longer carrers now cause of nutrition and more advanced training

Fighters can have longer careers now because they only fight once a year. If Sugar Ray Robinson fought as infrequently as Mayweather then he would still be fighting.

[gatorDelux]

Fighters can have longer careers now because they only fight once a year. If Sugar Ray Robinson fought as infrequently as Mayweather then he would still be fighting.

u have a point there

[McGoorty]

No, just because you can go 100 rounds doesn't mean they were in better shape. watching those old fights take into account them sitting in the middle of the ring with there arms down taking huge breaks because neither of them have the power to knock eachother out.

Thats the hilarious part, even those 20 round bouts you saw them looking dead exhausted, hardly jumping around with there hands up.

Any modern fighter could do that and look exactly the same. Just because its not commissioned doesn't mean they couldn't.

Sorry but your mathematics is way out..... before commenting, read my round by round REAL description of the AD WOLGAST Vs BATTLING NELSON FIGHT.... and then try to keep your argument alive..... It is a genuine newspaper write up.... name me a greater fight... ever ??????...... here is the link..http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=506545