I'm sad....

[CarlosG815]

Quartey was definitely robbed against Forrest. It wasn't even close.

I've said this in my Wright-Whitaker thread, the only fighter to ever beat quartey decisesively was Winky Wright.

10:14

Anybody notice the major difference in Oscar and Forrest in their fights with Ike? Oscar totally outjabbed Quartey, whereas Vernon, despite his advantages in height and reach, could not keep Quartey at bay with the jab and instead he himself was eating jabs all night.

Oscar had such an effective jab that he was able to control the fight at will with his jab alone. He also did a better job of keeping the fight in the center of the ring and circling around Quartey.

Oscar was careless at times in that fight and he paid for it with the knockdown. The only time that Quartey looked really impressive was when Oscar tried to mix it up and got over anxious and started swinging wildly, like when Quartey put him down.

Without a doubt Quartey outjabbed Forrest. I think that Quartey just had one of those styles that aren't appealing to win rounds when you fight against guys that show more courage and get inside to throw bigger punches. Forrest may not have landed as many jabs, but he did land a lot of big shots on Quartey.

I personally don't think that Quartey does enough to win his fight more than it is bad judging against him.

I haven't scored the Quartey/Forrest fight but I don't remember arguing with the call. HBO always makes it seem as tho another guy is winning and then pretend it's a shocking robbery when the winner is announced. In some cases it is, but in no way did I agree with Lederman's card in this fight. Close, yes, but I don't think Quartey beat him 7 rounds to 3.

[joseph5620]

Anybody notice the major difference in Oscar and Forrest in their fights with Ike? Oscar totally outjabbed Quartey, whereas Vernon, despite his advantages in height and reach, could not keep Quartey at bay with the jab and instead he himself was eating jabs all night.

Oscar had such an effective jab that he was able to control the fight at will with his jab alone. He also did a better job of keeping the fight in the center of the ring and circling around Quartey.

Oscar was careless at times in that fight and he paid for it with the knockdown. The only time that Quartey looked really impressive was when Oscar tried to mix it up and got over anxious and started swinging wildly, like when Quartey put him down.

Without a doubt Quartey outjabbed Forrest. I think that Quartey just had one of those styles that aren't appealing to win rounds when you fight against guys that show more courage and get inside to throw bigger punches. Forrest may not have landed as many jabs, but he did land a lot of big shots on Quartey.

I personally don't think that Quartey does enough to win his fight more than it is bad judging against him.

I haven't scored the Quartey/Forrest fight but I don't remember arguing with the call. HBO always makes it seem as tho another guy is winning and then pretend it's a shocking robbery when the winner is announced. In some cases it is, but in no way did I agree with Lederman's card in this fight. Close, yes, but I don't think Quartey beat him 7 rounds to 3.

Another major difference is that Delahoya was still in his prime and Forrest wasn't. I also wouldn't say Oscar "totally out jabbed" Quartey

[CarlosG815]

Another major difference is that Delahoya was still in his prime and Forrest wasn't. I also wouldn't say Oscar "totally out jabbed" Quartey

Without a doubt, Forrest wasn't near his prime.

If Oscar didn't totally outjab him, what would you call it? Quartey was not at all effective with his jab against Oscar, yet Oscar was able to jab him at will and control the entire fight with his jab alone.

What would you say then?

[joseph5620]

Without a doubt, Forrest wasn't near his prime.

If Oscar didn't totally outjab him, what would you call it? Quartey was not at all effective with his jab against Oscar, yet Oscar was able to jab him at will and control the entire fight with his jab alone.
What would you say then?

We will have to agree to disagree. I didn't see Oscar control the entire fight with anything.

[CarlosG815]

We will have to agree to disagree. I didn't see Oscar control the entire fight with anything.

Perhaps you should watch it again, as you have mentioned you do not remember much from the fight.

Back to the thread, I found this interview interesting in the post fight of DLH Mosley 2. Listen to what they say at 8:35.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsj4-UCR-o

It is hard to win a fight with fighting from outside with the jab, as we saw with Quartey with Forrest.

[BennyST]

Anybody notice the major difference in Oscar and Forrest in their fights with Ike? Oscar totally outjabbed Quartey, whereas Vernon, despite his advantages in height and reach, could not keep Quartey at bay with the jab and instead he himself was eating jabs all night.

Oscar had such an effective jab that he was able to control the fight at will with his jab alone. He also did a better job of keeping the fight in the center of the ring and circling around Quartey.

Ok, you either don't like Quartey or love Oscar. The Quartey/Forrest fight was a flat out robbery. It wasn't close, there was no possibility of scoring for Forrest.

Nor did Oscar control the fight at will with his jab or totally outjab Quartey. Rewatch it. It was very even, with Oscar having a slight edge on jabs early, however Quartey had the edge with power shots and jabs in the middle and late so.....punch stats were even all told, both throwing and landing a very similar number.

[BennyST]

Another major difference is that Delahoya was still in his prime and Forrest wasn't. I also wouldn't say Oscar "totally out jabbed" Quartey

Without a doubt, Forrest wasn't near his prime.

If Oscar didn't totally outjab him, what would you call it? Quartey was not at all effective with his jab against Oscar, yet Oscar was able to jab him at will and control the entire fight with his jab alone.

What would you say then?

Whereas a 37 year old inactive Ike was in his prime? While Forrest wasn't the same guy as the one that beat down Mosley, it was also not the Ike that destroyed Phillips, or broke Jung Oh Park's face apart with his jab. Nonetheless, with both guys past it, Ike got screwed big time. I don't know how you can possibly look at that fight with any sincerity and say "The scoring didn't seem bad to me" Carlos? What were you watching? Then again, if Oscar totally outjabbed Quartey at will....

Edit: Carlos, if you want to see someone totally outjab another fighter at will, watch Ike vs Jung Oh Park. That's totally dominating a fight at will with the jab.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Without a doubt, Forrest wasn't near his prime.

If Oscar didn't totally outjab him, what would you call it? Quartey was not at all effective with his jab against Oscar, yet Oscar was able to jab him at will and control the entire fight with his jab alone.

What would you say then?

Wait, totally out jabbed him? No offense but you need to watch the fight again (i do it with the sound off). I remember there being points (especially in the upper middle rounds) where Ike was clearly landing more jabs. Even with the late knockdown and last round rally, i still had Ike edging it out by 1 point. It was close and i could understand anyone making a case for either one winning, but at no point in the fight did i ever see him clearly out jab Ike or take control.

[The Surgeon]

The Lopez draw was bogus, i cant quite remember my ODH score but it was really tight whoever won it was no robbery. The judges from the Forrest fight screwed him over, he made a decent account of himself against old pal Winky but lost clearly enough and imo Vargas was the clear winner too, Bazooka was slammin that jab home but El Feroz was giving him angles and tagging him with quick combos and his own jab was working well too


Big fan Of Ike Quartey tho, as good as he was he should have done more


I hear he is minted and a big property tycoon over in Ghana now tho so lets not feel too sorry for him

[CarlosG815]

Ok, you either don't like Quartey or love Oscar. The Quartey/Forrest fight was a flat out robbery. It wasn't close, there was no possibility of scoring for Forrest.

Nor did Oscar control the fight at will with his jab or totally outjab Quartey. Rewatch it. It was very even, with Oscar having a slight edge on jabs early, however Quartey had the edge with power shots and jabs in the middle and late so.....punch stats were even all told, both throwing and landing a very similar number.

I have no problem with Quartey, I think he was a very good fighter and he was a great contender in an era of awesome welterweights. As I said I did not score the fight but when you have a style like Quartey it is hard to win rounds with certain judges, as was stated in that link that I posted in the Mosley/DLH 2 fight. Sometimes it's hard to win a fight when you just sneak rounds.

It is obvious that you "love" Quartey as you claim that I must either dislike him or "love" Oscar. It's true I am an Oscar fan, as you are obviously a fan of Quartey and if you are claiming I am bias to Oscar, then I can claim you are bias to Quartey.

I just watched Oscar/Quartey the other day so it is fresh in my mind. Oscar controlled the first 4 rounds with his jab before he abandoned it and tried to make the fight a little more exciting, kind of the way he did with Mayweather, and as people have said "Had Oscar not abandoned the jab he'd have won, because he was winning until he stopped using it."

Quartey's jab was neutralized by Oscar and he was being countered with Oscar's jab coming over top and landing, I don't see how you can dispute this, Benny, it's right there on tape.

I do not pay much attention to compubox punch stats, personally, so I can't really comment on that.