I'm sad....

[CarlosG815]

Whereas a 37 year old inactive Ike was in his prime? While Forrest wasn't the same guy as the one that beat down Mosley, it was also not the Ike that destroyed Phillips, or broke Jung Oh Park's face apart with his jab. Nonetheless, with both guys past it, Ike got screwed big time. I don't know how you can possibly look at that fight with any sincerity and say "The scoring didn't seem bad to me" Carlos? What were you watching? Then again, if Oscar totally outjabbed Quartey at will....

Edit: Carlos, if you want to see someone totally outjab another fighter at will, watch Ike vs Jung Oh Park. That's totally dominating a fight at will with the jab.

I never said Ike was prime in his fight withe Forrest, and in watching it, it's clear that Ike was a much more solid and conditioned fighter when he fought Oscar, I'm not saying Ike was at his best against Forrest. As far as who had slid more, I'd say Forrest. I remember watching Forrest's amateur fights and he was simply incredible. His feet, his hand speed, power and combination's. It was all there, he was a very complete fighter and when I watch his early fights I want to believe that of all the guys of that era (Oscar, Forrest, Wright, Mayorga, Mosley, Vargas) Forrest was the best. By the time he fought Quartey he just didn't look like the same fighter. His legs were gone and his hand speed was just a shell of what it once was, whereas Quartey fought with a style similar to what he had always done. I think Quartey aged better as a fighter than Forrest did.

And as I said earlier, I did not score Forrest/Quartey, but in watching it I can see why the judges would score for Forrest, as Quartey simply did not land enough big shots to win. He may have been sneaking rounds the way Oscar did against Mosley in their second fight, but it's not enough to win sometimes depending on the judge. It could very well have been a robbery, I have not watched that fight in a long time, but at the time, it just didn't seem like a dominating performance by Quartey.

[CarlosG815]

Wait, totally out jabbed him? No offense but you need to watch the fight again (i do it with the sound off). I remember there being points (especially in the upper middle rounds) where Ike was clearly landing more jabs. Even with the late knockdown and last round rally, i still had Ike edging it out by 1 point. It was close and i could understand anyone making a case for either one winning, but at no point in the fight did i ever see him clearly out jab Ike or take control.

So I mention that Oscar controlled the early rounds with his jab and abandoned it in the middle rounds and started fighting more aggressively resulting in a knockdown, you argue with me, then post a link that shows what I was talking about? Oscar stopped using the jab at this point, but up until that point, he was outjabbing Quartey at will.

As I said, the only round that I could see somebody scoring differently is the 2nd round. I thought Oscar had more activity so I gave him the round, even with that, he still wins 115-113. Now if somebody gives that round to Ike, and gives the 11th round to Ike as well, Ike still loses by a point. If somebody judged it for Ike, whatever, but it's not the way I saw it. To take another point from Oscar and give to Ike for the win would be stretching it anyway I can figure it.

[slicksouthpaw16]

So I mention that Oscar controlled the early rounds with his jab and abandoned it in the middle rounds and started fighting more aggressively resulting in a knockdown, you argue with me, then post a link that shows what I was talking about? Oscar stopped using the jab at this point, but up until that point, he was outjabbing Quartey at will.

As I said, the only round that I could see somebody scoring differently is the 2nd round. I thought Oscar had more activity so I gave him the round, even with that, he still wins 115-113. Now if somebody gives that round to Ike, and gives the 11th round to Ike as well, Ike still loses by a point. If somebody judged it for Ike, whatever, but it's not the way I saw it. To take another point from Oscar and give to Ike for the win would be stretching it anyway I can figure it.

Well please fell free to post a video or link of Oscar clearly out jabbing Ike at will, which has never, ever been done. I'm also interesting in you giving me the time sequence where that happened at. The entire video is uploaded to youtube.

[CarlosG815]

Well please fell free to post a video or link of Oscar clearly out jabbing Ike, which has never, ever been done. I'm also interesting in you giving me the time sequence where that happened at. The entire video is uploaded to youtube.

Go and watch the beginning of the fight, he does it the entire time for the first few rounds.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Go and watch the beginning of the fight, he does it the entire time for the first few rounds.

I'd actually prefer you posting the video and giving me the exact time sequence that it happened in. I have the fight on video tape and have seen it numerous times, so that wouldn't be necessary