Why do people think that hagler is overrated?

[gatorDelux]

1 Greb
2 Monzon
3 Hagler

its all very debateable IMO. there are cases for all of these men as #1

that seems about right to me....

[McGoorty]

And you know something else that was kinda cool, in 1997, after I got off Army active duty, I moved to Lowell, MA to attend University. Of course, Micky Ward is from Lowell and though I had heard of him, and had seen a few of his fights, I did not know that much about him and I kinda had this attitude that he was not really a special fighter, and nowhere near a Hagler or a Marciano. I was kinda arrogant about being from Brockton as a boxing town above and beyond all others. Anyway, I lived in Lowell from 1997 though 2003 and was "in town" for all the very best fights of Micky's career resurgence, it was like I just could not avoid being in the right place at the right time as far as boxing was concerned, it was a great time to be from Lowell, and of course my respect for Micky grew immensely as I watched him engage in one war after another. And as a Massachusetts fighter, I gotta say that Micky really found a way to be included in the same breath, the same lineage as Marciano and Hagler. The Mick did not do it with skill or accomplishment, he did it with INCREDIBLE fighting heart and there aint nothing wrong with that.

It's great stuff you're talkin' about there man,.... great thread.... great to hear everybody's passion.

[Barn]

I got it.

1. Greb
2. Hagler
3. Monzon
4. Robinson

[StarshipTrooper]

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Marvin Hagler
05. Stanley Ketchel
06. Bernard Hopkins
07. Charley Burley
08. Harry Greb
09. Jake LaMotta
10. Carlos Monzon
11. Tony Zale
12. Panama Joe Gans
13. Marcel Cerdan
14. Les Darcy
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Holman Williams
17. Mickey Walker
18. James Toney
19. Mike McCallum
20. Tommy Burns
21. Freddie Steele
22. Non Periel Jack Dempsey
23. Nino Benvenuti

[McGoorty]

01. Ray Robinson
02. Bob Fitzsimmons
03. Sam Langford
04. Marvin Hagler
05. Stanley Ketchel
06. Bernard Hopkins
07. Charley Burley
08. Harry Greb
09. Jake LaMotta
10. Carlos Monzon
11. Tony Zale
12. Panama Joe Gans
13. Marcel Cerdan
14. Les Darcy
15. Mike Gibbons
16. Holman Williams
17. Mickey Walker
18. James Toney
19. Mike McCallum
20. Tommy Burns
21. Freddie Steele
22. Non Periel Jack Dempsey
23. Nino Benvenuti

I see you Have my mate in there,...... many kudo's...... I have him higher but,.. Kudos for me,..... lol

[GJC]

Greb at 8???
Have we had this argument?
Between my fading faculties and McGoorty bumping old threads........

[StarshipTrooper]

Greb at 8???
Have we had this argument?
Between my fading faculties and McGoorty bumping old threads........

Probably.....hey, it's a stacked division

[GJC]

Probably.....hey, it's a stacked division

So remind me what's your phrase "I don't need to have seen Caesar to know he was a great general?" always liked that phrase so want to get it right when I steal it for this

[StarshipTrooper]

So remind me what's your phrase "I don't need to have seen Caesar to know he was a great general?" always liked that phrase so want to get it right when I steal it for this

That's close enough :chuckle9:

[GJC]

That's close enough :chuckle9:

Aha! well what I'd say to you re Greb is.....