Why do people think that hagler is overrated?

[fitefanSHO]

Yeah, I know.....but it DOES include some stuff that would have been impractical in the board version

Like what?

One reason I think the board game is better is because you more fully understand what all the action stuff means as it happens, on the computer game it still tells you that stuff but if u never played the board game and have no frame of reference for what that stuff means, how can that be any fun at all? On the board game, the fight takes place in your imagination, on the PC version, you just push a button and off it goes, why not skip the fight all together and just get to the result if that's how it's gonna be? The board game makes the flipping of the cards, and the keeping of the score card, and the process itself (the fight) fun for the player.

And I've played both.

[StarshipTrooper]

Like what?

One reason I think the board game is better is because you more fully understand what all the action stuff means as it happens, on the computer game it still tells you that stuff but if u never played the board game and have no frame of reference for what that stuff means, how can that be any fun at all? On the board game, the fight takes place in your imagination, on the PC version, you just push a button and off it goes, why not skip the fight all together and just get to the result if that's how it's gonna be? The board game makes the flipping of the cards, and the keeping of the score card, and the process itself (the fight) fun for the player.

And I've played both.

The computer version adds :

Counter-punching ratings
Ring intelligence ratings
Recovery from being hurt or knocked down rating
Absorbing body shots rating
Cornermen ratings
A south-paw vs righty factor
Variable ratings for a fighter's historic conditioning level
The ability to set career stage for a fight
The ability to set specific conditioning level for a fight
Constant updates to fighter ratings (particularly with active fighters) while adding ratings for new fighters.
A few other relatively minor bells and wistles

Plus

The ability to run a thousand fights in a few seconds.

I know it takes some of the fun out of it but like most things in life it's a trade-off

Poet

[fitefanSHO]

The computer version adds :

Counter-punching ratings (this is included the board game version I have)
Ring intelligence ratings (this is NOT included the board game version I have)
Recovery from being hurt or knocked down rating (this is included the board game version I have)
Absorbing body shots rating (this is NOT included the board game version I have)
Cornermen ratings (this is NOT included the board game version I have)
A south-paw vs righty factor (this is included the board game version I have)
Variable ratings for a fighter's historic conditioning level (this is NOT included the board game version I have)
The ability to set career stage for a fight (this is NOT included the board game version I have)
The ability to set specific conditioning level for a fight (this is NOT included the board game version I have)
Constant updates to fighter ratings (particularly with active fighters) while adding ratings for new fighters. (this is NOT included the board game version I have)

Plus

The ability to run a thousand fights in a few seconds.

(this is NOT included the board game version I have and it's not needed/wanted and it's NOT very realistic IMO, fighters don't fight thousands of times )

I know it takes some of the fun out of it but like most things in life it's a trade-off

Life is too short, I want the fun.

[StarshipTrooper]

Life is too short, I want the fun.

They must have added the Recovery, Counter-punching, and south-paw factors in a later version of the board game than I have.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Life is too short, I want the fun.

While fighters don't fight thousands of time IRL, that just means fluky results have a much greater impact

Poet

[fitefanSHO]

While fighters don't fight thousands of time IRL, that just means fluky results have a much greater impact

Poet

The whole thing just becomes a big statistical endeavor done this way, like Tyson beats Foreman 988 times out of a 1000 of whatever, I don't see fights that way, I liked to just have the fighters fight and treat it like they were really fighting, in real life, which obviously it wasn't. But tell that to a kid (me) who was just utterly enraptured with boxing and suddenly had the chance to make the dream matches that never happened or recreate classic fights.

That's exactly what the back of the board game offered.

And I was hooked the second I read that...

Title Bout lets you recreate all the great ring matchups of the past and present, with over 400 boxers individually rated for their abilities in over 20 key areas!

Rewrite Boxing History. What would have happened if Rocky Marciano had fought the legendary John L Sullivan? Or if the great Joe Louis had met Muhammad Ali when both were in their prime? You can find out with Title Bout, as all the old time greats appear along with the current rated fighters in every weight class.

[jabsRstiff]

The whole thing just becomes a big statistical endeavor done this way, like Tyson beats Foreman 988 times out of a 1000 of whatever, I don't see fights that way, I liked to just have the fighters fight and treat it like they were really fighting, in real life, which obviously it wasn't. But tell that to a kid (me) who what just utterly enraptured with boxing and suddenly had the chance to make the dream matches that never happened or recreate classic fights.

That's exactly what the back of the board game offered.

And I was hooked the second I read that...

Title Bout lets you recreate all the great ring matchups of the past and present, with over 400 boxers individually rated for their abilities in over 20 key areas!

Rewrite Boxing History. What would have happened if Rocky Marciano had fought the legendary John L Sullivan? Or if the great Joe Louis had met Muhammad Ali when both were in their prime? You can find out with Title Bout, as all the old time greats appear along with the current rated fighters in every weight class.

fight...

I became a hardcore fan at the age of 11, in 1981....and I totally feel what you're saying about being enraptured with the game. There certainly wasn't 100th of the boxing-related things available to me back then like there is now.....and I woulda went absolutely nuts had I known that particular game existed.

[StarshipTrooper]

The whole thing just becomes a big statistical endeavor done this way, like Tyson beats Foreman 988 times out of a 1000 of whatever, I don't see fights that way, I liked to just have the fighters fight and treat it like they were really fighting, in real life, which obviously it wasn't. But tell that to a kid (me) who what just utterly enraptured with boxing and suddenly had the chance to make the dream matches that never happened or recreate classic fights.

That's exactly what the back of the board game offered.

And I was hooked the second I read that...

Title Bout lets you recreate all the great ring matchups of the past and present, with over 400 boxers individually rated for their abilities in over 20 key areas!

Rewrite Boxing History. What would have happened if Rocky Marciano had fought the legendary John L Sullivan? Or if the great Joe Louis had met Muhammad Ali when both were in their prime? You can find out with Title Bout, as all the old time greats appear along with the current rated fighters in every weight class.

Hey, I don't knock it at all.....if anything those bios on the back of the cards (and studying their ratings) are what got me interesting in researching past greats

Poet

[fitefanSHO]

I became a hardcore fan at the age of 11, in 1981...

Me too. Same year, same age.

[McGoorty]

On Ebay, anything can be got, Title Bout is a great game worth the hunt.

Anyway, I just went and dug out the game, and guess what I found?

That's right, the Les Darcy fighter card!

He is rated as an 11 out of 12 (B/S) That means the best fighters are rated 12, Darcy gets an 11, and he is a boxer and a slugger, can do both. His hitting power is respectable, 8 out of a possible 10. His defense is a -4, the best is -6. He has a bunch of other stats, but I have to relearn how to play and what they all mean. Oh, and I can see he has a good chin on his fighter card by his KDR 1, KDR 2, and KOR ratings, all a 1.

On the back of his card it reads: One of the best of the middleweights, never held the crown. The Australian welterweight champ held his own against all the fighters of his day, including Americans. He, like so many others of this time period, laid claim to the middlweight crown, but never held it officially. Darcy came to America to fight during WWI, was hounded and prevented from fighting, being called a slacker because he wasn't in the service. He died of mental breakdown and fever in 1917. He was never stopped in his career in the ring.

Thanks for that mate,.. a few little mistakes, but a fair and respectable estimation of his talents....... Just a couple of points on the title picture,... Les fought for the Australian Welterweight title ( he started as a Featherweight, had one bout as a Bantamweight then fought in every division ), Darcy lost to the Champion Bob Whitelaw, and then beat Bob in a rematch but Darcy was overweight (so was Bob), Darcy blew him apart ( he avenged every loss like this ),............. Les Darcy was The Australian MW, LHW & HW champion ( both Ron Richards and Dave Sands Did this also ),.................................... ..................... The Middleweights had NO champion really, unless the Belt that Darcy had won from The previous Champ Jeff Smith of the U.S.A. is counted as the Champion,.. .. You see The Championship called The WMW title had moved to Australia, It's a complicated story, because the other belt holder, Al McCoy, never defended for 3 years,.and as McCoy had lost multiple fights to most of Darcy's victims including Chip twice out of 3 fights,............ Not one boxing fan has ever fought for McCoys claims in any seriousness,.......... Darcy, If His Belt was not recognised in America was certainly the only claimant to it, nobody in their right mind ever gave AL a chance if he fought Darcy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he would have been asleep inside of 4 rounds,,,,,,, if you delve into it, you will find that he was the Linear champ (a title quite popular around here), or as close as you could come to it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and in this Alphabet age,,,,,, nobody now has the right to deny him Champion status,,......... Anyway, his name has outlived in Fame (indeed Legend status) 3 quarters of all the world champions to have worn a belt,.......... ... Last point,. Darcy's death wasn't quite simple as a broken heart, he died of Septicima after he had the teeth knocked out from the Hardwick title fight, and then had the teeth re-attached,,... just a few years before penicillin,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if they'd had Peniciilin, Les would have been MW and LHW champion of the world,................. I can't wait to find that game,.. thanks for your interest.