Why did James Toney and Bernard Hopkins never fight?

[Pastrano]

his doesn't fit a timeline of events. By the time Hopkins had himself established at 160, Toney was already gone from 168 and losing fights to Montell Griffin and Drake Thadzi at 175. There was simply no call for this fight.

So what, Borenard's first fight was at 175, chump.

[JAB5239]

So what, Borenard's first fight was at 175, chump.

You're walking on some thin ice my friend. Just admit you were wrong and move on. If you really want to get into it though, be my guest.

[Pastrano]

You're walking on some thin ice my friend. Just admit you were wrong and move on. If you really want to get into it though, be my guest.

We getting all Dirty Harry here. Even Steward said Hopkins was always a natural lhw. I rest my case. Maybe youre just a Bhophugger.

[JAB5239]

We getting all Dirty Harry here. Even Steward said Hopkins was always a natural lhw. I rest my case. Maybe youre just a Bhophugger.

If he was a natural light heavy than he would have had problems making the middleweight limit the vast majority of his career.

And yeah, we're getting all dirty Harry here, so don't push it.

[jabsRstiff]

We getting all Dirty Harry here. Even Steward said Hopkins was always a natural lhw. I rest my case. Maybe youre just a Bhophugger.

So, because he was a natural 175lber, he should have jumped up to that weight to fight Toney in a bout no one really was interested in seeing, or discussing, at the time?

You should be awfully impressed that a "natural" 175lber was able to strip himself down 15-17 lbs and hold a crown there for 10 years.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Why didn't Ivan Calderon and Nikolay Valuev ever fight?

[The_Demon]

By the time B-Hop was a top middleweight contender, Toney moved up to sup-mid and by the time B-Hop got to light heavy Toney was a heavyweight.

Hit the nail on the head,no need too read the rest of the posts as i see the thread has been taken over by idiots

[Toney616]

The fight almost happened on two occasions

mw
By the time Toney had beat McCallum II Hopkins was no 1 mando for his IBF belt. Toney wanted to fight Julian Jackson but HBO killed it because they didnt want to work with King. HBo offered Toney 1m for him to move up and fight for Barkley's smw ibf belt, which was a lot more than he would of got for fighting an unknown contender called Hopkins.

cw catchweight
After Toney beat Jirov in 2003, Hopkins started to call him out, accusing him of ducking him at mw. Toney agreed to fight Hopkins. The fight was agreed on at a catchweight of 190 lbs. Hopkins tried to kill the fight by demanding the lions share of the purse, which Toney agreed to. Toney just wanted to get him into the ring. On the day the documents were due to be signed Hopkins pulled out claiming King was getting to large a share of his purse. Which is nonsense.

[Steak]

The fight almost happened on two occasions

mw
By the time Toney had beat McCallum II Hopkins was no 1 mando for his IBF belt. Toney wanted to fight Julian Jackson but HBO killed it because they didnt want to work with King. HBo offered Toney 1m for him to move up and fight for Barkley's smw ibf belt, which was a lot more than he would of got for fighting an unknown contender called Hopkins.

cw catchweight
After Toney beat Jirov in 2003, Hopkins started to call him out, accusing him of ducking him at mw. Toney agreed to fight Hopkins. The fight was agreed on at a catchweight of 190 lbs. Hopkins tried to kill the fight by demanding the lions share of the purse, which Toney agreed to. Toney just wanted to get him into the ring. On the day the documents were due to be signed Hopkins pulled out claiming King was getting to large a share of his purse. Which is nonsense.

interesting information.

I think Toney would have beaten Hopkins, personally. Well, this is assuming an inshape and prime Toney, not the weight drained shell that showed up sometimes.

[Pastrano]

interesting information.

I think Toney would have beaten Hopkins, personally. Well, this is assuming an inshape and prime Toney, not the weight drained shell that showed up sometimes.

Most other experts think Toney would have no problems beating Hopkins. No major ones anyway. Toney is just a league above the Rabbitpuncher.