Comeback George Foreman vs. Current Vitali

[IMDAZED]

So why didn't he KO china chinned Morrison then?

Like I said, I concede that Vit's face might not hold up. But it'll be because of multiple jabs, not a right hand. The type of overhand right that Lennox landed that opened the cut would not land from Foreman, not unless Vitali was totally sleeping or was stunned.

Huh? Who is talking about his power? He certainly landed on Morrison, didn't he? And he would land on Vitali with both hands as well.

[nomadman]

And he landed it on pretty much everyone - and pretty much everyone lands on Vitali. Vitali should beat the ancient version of George - I see his chin holding up but not his skin.

Huh? Who is talking about his power? He certainly landed on Morrison, didn't he? And he would land on Vitali with both hands as well.

Generally you need power to cause cuts on your opponent's face. Foreman would land on Vitali, but if he catches him with a right, it'll be the short straight right that he KOed Moorer with, the one that aims straight for the jawline.

[IMDAZED]

Generally you need power to cause cuts on your opponent's face. Foreman would land on Vitali, but if he catches him with a right, it'll be the short straight right that he KOed Moorer with, the one that aims straight for the jawline.

Yeah you're right, Foreman definitely didn't hit hard enough to cause Vitali to cut

[$Bullsfam$]

Foreman would destroy Wlad.

But Vital would prolly win on point because of his chin and workrate. I can see Foreman hurting him a few times though.

[StarshipTrooper]

Who said he's going to pitch a shutout? I said Vitali wouldn't have too many problems landing hard shots of his own on Foreman. That's based on observing both fighters in the ring, and not on any physical stats. Foreman's best punch on the outside would be his jab; it was a shot which he consistently landed on everyone he fought. As for his power punches, his main successes came when he got on the inside of fighters or trapped them against the ropes. On the outside he was far too slow and lethargic to catch even guys like Morrison and Briggs solidly, as evidenced by the fact that they weren't KTFO.

His main success came on the ropes NOT on the inside. You also seem to be confusing the Foreman of circa the Holyfield fight with the fossil who fought Morrison and Briggs: Two different fighters. The Foreman of 90-91 beats the Foreman of the Morrison fight. THAT Foreman had two more years of significant decline on him.

If you need reminding we're talking about comeback George Foreman here, not exactly a fresh trim specimen in the prime of his life. Vitali's slowness won't be a factor here, or not as big a factor as it would in another style matchup with a speedier foe. And whilst his hands are slow, his reaction speed and punch anticipation, coupled with his height make him very difficult to hit cleanly.

Right. That's why an out-of-shape past-it Lennox tagged him easily and repeatedly?

Much is made of Vitali's inhuman capacity for absorbing punishment, but a good bulk of this belief stems from the Lennox fight, and to a lesser extent the Sanders fight. Yet count the number of heavy shots he takes from his other opponents and tell me if you see anything near as brutal as what he took in those two fights. If Vitali were easy to hit he would have been stopped or at least dropped before now, I don't care how good his chin is perceived as being.

That's because you're still operating under the dubious assumption that the punch will always overcome the chin: An assumption proven false by the history of the sport. George Chuvalo was easy as **** to hit. Guess what? Nobody ever counted 10 over him. His only two stoppages were from the ref pulling his plug over him sponging too many punches.

Comeback George had a pretty simple gameplan in most of his fights. Stalk his opponents back to the ropes and unload where they couldn't get out of the way. He was certainly not trying to outbox them in the centre of the ring. He did like to maintain distance there, via the pushing, mainly because it gave him the space to use his jab, and thence drive them back to the ropes, but it was not a place he liked to be for any long portion of the fight.

I hate to break it to you but getting his opponents on the ropes was ALWAYS George's gameplan......even in 1972.

Poet

[New England]

He gets hit plenty - pretty much by everyone he's faced. His best win is like Chris Arreola or something. Simply put, he's not a HOF'er and aside from a valiant performance in a loss, he's beaten no one of note.

he does not "get hit plenty" dude


brandon ríos is a championship level fighter with a poor defense
antonio margarito "gets hit plenty"
chris arreola gets hit a lot

vitali has a good chin, similar to these men
but he's lightyears away from them in terms of style.

he's hardly aggressive
spends large portions of his fights outside of his opponents offense and backing up and circling

his fights don't have lots of action overall
and he's certainly not getting the worst of it most of the time


and he's certainly getting in to the hall of fame
if i'm still posting on boxingscene when he does i'll be sure to bring it up.

have you seen any of his fights other than arreola and soils?
just curious

[IMDAZED]

he does not "get hit plenty" dude


brandon ríos is a championship level fighter with a poor defense
antonio margarito "gets hit plenty"
chris arreola gets hit a lot

vitali has a good chin, similar to these men
but he's lightyears away from them in terms of style.

he's hardly aggressive
spends large portions of his fights outside of his opponents offense and backing up and circling

his fights don't have lots of action overall
and he's certainly not getting the worst of it most of the time


and he's certainly getting in to the hall of fame
if i'm still posting on boxingscene when he does i'll be sure to bring it up.

have you seen any of his fights other than arreola and soils?
just curious

Don't make me laugh. I've seen nearly all of his fights of relevance from 2000 till now. And just because his defense isn't absolutely ****ty doesn't mean it's good. He gets hit PLENTY.

And you're right, he probably is getting into the HOF...on his brother's back, most likely, seeing as how when you look at his resume, it's almost laughable.

[Steak]

I cant think of a fighter that has ridden a loss to supposed greatness as much as Vitali before. to be fair, his comeback win over Sam Peter was pretty good. not legendary by any means, but it was definitely a good legitimate win considering he was coming out of a 4 year hiatus.

but look at his record. its so padded its ridiculous. literally his only legitimate wins happen to be over guys that were fat and out of shape, ie Arreola, Kirk Johnson, and even Sanders wasnt in good shape and was gassed by the third round with his arms flopping at his sides.(although still definitely a good win all things considered).


maybe its because hes perceived as the 'tough' brother, but his defense is shabby, he doesnt hit nearly as hard as some people try to believe, and Wladimir clearly has more boxing ability and has more pop in his punches.

[IMDAZED]

I cant think of a fighter that has ridden a loss to supposed greatness as much as Vitali before. to be fair, his comeback win over Sam Peter was pretty good. not legendary by any means, but it was definitely a good legitimate win considering he was coming out of a 4 year hiatus.

but look at his record. its so padded its ridiculous. literally his only legitimate wins happen to be over guys that were fat and out of shape, ie Arreola, Kirk Johnson, and even Sanders wasnt in good shape and was gassed by the third round with his arms flopping at his sides.(although still definitely a good win all things considered).

Yep. Two decent wins, a couple more that are a notch below that and poof...HOF. Based on what?

[nomadman]

Yeah you're right, Foreman definitely didn't hit hard enough to cause Vitali to cut

A punch on the jaw doesn't generally cause a cut above the eyebrow.