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  • Miburo
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    #81
    Originally posted by IMDAZED
    Well we're going down the list, aren't we?

    1. Calzaghe, we've already pointed out how that is completely off-base.

    Now we move to Rochigianni who umm, Roy signed to fight only to have Rochigianni no-show at the first presser and disappear for weeks before pulling out and admitting an alcohol problem. Do you have any dispute with that or should we go on to the next name?
    Incidentally I see Calzaghe as sort of a mix between Jones and Locche - I think he's one the most physically similar to Jones in boxing history and had a similar natural, self-taught, highly unorthodox style based around pure athleticism.

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      #82
      Originally posted by -D33Pwaters-
      Jones' durability also let him down in the later stages of his career, but the weight he lost after fighting Ruiz may have had something to do with it.
      Unfortunately there will always be questions about Jones' chin - was it always suspect, or was that a development like you suggest? Hard to say.

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        #83
        Originally posted by IMDAZED
        Given that Jones had already flattened one of the guys who had beaten him - there was no point whatsoever, actually. But no, at the time Jones offered them the fights, Benn hadn't gone on his long streak yet.
        In that case the alleged offer must have been made very early in '96 since Benn lost to Malinga in March.

        The Benn fight should have been made in 1995. The single biggest turn-off in Jones career has to be the Paz fight. At the time of that fight there was so many exiting match-ups Jones could have made and it was most dissapointing that he picked Paz as his sacrificial lamb.

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          #84
          Originally posted by Toney616
          I have to disagree with you there, those guys werent on the same level as the guys I mentioned
          If you are serious we'll just have to disagree.

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            #85
            Originally posted by Shiranui
            Unfortunately there will always be questions about Jones' chin - was it always suspect, or was that a development like you suggest? Hard to say.
            More like a deterioration. Like you said it's hard to say because Roy was not hit consistently in his prime. The only fighter to knock him down was lou del valle, but even then it was hard to gauge whether he was really hurt.

            I found this video, you may want to check out:

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              #86
              Originally posted by -D33Pwaters-
              More like a deterioration. Like you said it's hard to say because Roy was not hit consistently in his prime. The only fighter to knock him down was lou del valle, but even then it was hard to gauge whether he was really hurt.

              I found this video, you may want to check out:

              It was Jones' late career misfortune that his reflexes were concentrated into mobility as opposed to someone like Locche who was all head movement so that even when he stopped training and started fighting flat-footed he was an effective defender.

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                #87
                Originally posted by IMDAZED
                Given that Jones had already flattened one of the guys who had beaten him - there was no point whatsoever, actually. But no, at the time Jones offered them the fights, Benn hadn't gone on his long streak yet.

                This is a terrible excuse to fight a lesser my friend. I see this logic used all the time to dismiss guys Floyd didn't fight and I find it more an excuse of a fan of the man instead of a fan of the sport.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by JAB5239

                  This is a terrible excuse to fight a lesser my friend. I see this logic used all the time to dismiss guys Floyd didn't fight and I find it more an excuse of a fan of the man instead of a fan of the sport.
                  Dude...stop. You put up Joe Calzaghe as someone Roy should've fought in his prime. You lost me right there. We've also gone through Rochigianni. You wanna continue running through that list of yours?

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                    In that case the alleged offer must have been made very early in '96 since Benn lost to Malinga in March.

                    The Benn fight should have been made in 1995. The single biggest turn-off in Jones career has to be the Paz fight. At the time of that fight there was so many exiting match-ups Jones could have made and it was most dissapointing that he picked Paz as his sacrificial lamb.
                    The offer was made in early 1996. Agreed on Pazienza. Was a complete commercial flop as well.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                      Normally broadcasters are not promotors, so I'm quite surprised that they know which fights was offered to who. Have they also revealed what kind of purses Jones' alleged opponents was offered or are we up front to assume that Jones ridiculously lowballed them?
                      Oh, you'd be surprised my friend. HBO also flew in Klaus Peter-Kohl (Dariusz' promoter) when a deal couldn't be worked out between them and Square Ring. As for the purses, according to HBO, it was a career high seven-figure payday for each fighter.

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