Sometimes I Wonder Why Did Roy Ever Waste His Time Fighting Fighters Like.....

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As soon as the ITV guys realised something was wrong they cut the interview and saw to McClellan. King, Pacheco and Benn started talking about the fight instead. That fight killed my interest in boxing for many years.
King would visit McClellan in hospital and say to his trainer, Stan.,"He quit liked a damned dog."

Damn man, that's some real effed up ****. Just mind-boggling. Everyone crapped on Gerald immediately after that fight. How anyone couldn't figure out something was seriously wrong is beyond me.

[Toney616]

Damn man, that's some real effed up ****. Just mind-boggling. Everyone crapped on Gerald immediately after that fight. How anyone couldn't figure out something was seriously wrong is beyond me.

He was constantly blinking and his gum shield was hanging out of his mouth. His team knew though. He had told them he wanted to quit because he knew something was wrong. Their reply was tell him to go out there and die

Its the reason why Stanley came out and starting talking about McClellan's "hobbies" to deflect antention from his own role in the whole sick affair.

It should also be pointed out that the Kings didnt like McClellan and that Carl King had told McClellan that they were going to deal with him soon.

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But that shouldnt of happened. A guy is constantly blinking and no one seems to notice. I watched that fight live and I was thinking to myself whats wrong with McClellan?

It's easy to say in retrospect it shouldn't have happened. Back then neurology was still a relatively new and often abstract branch of medicine. The referee certainly shouldn't shoulder the blame. I'm sure he must have observed McClellan blinking repeatedly. But this proves precisely what?

A thumb in the eye? A foreign object? Perhaps McClellan was suffering from some kind of reaction to materials used in the corner (not unheard of)? The point is the referee (and the ringside doctor, who at the time was not trained to spot brain disorders) had any number of perfectly rational, non-life-threatening alternatives to consider before speculating on some mysterious neurological condition the symptoms of which they were not qualified to interpret.

[Toney616]

. You bein facetious?

****ing Michael Nunn, man. What a waste.

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Everyone that loses didn't follow the plan. He lost to Rochigianni. Straight up, that's all you need to know about Nunn at LHW.

True. He had no business losing to guys like Rochigianni or Littles, but Jones still should of fought him. Even way over the hill he was still a lot better than some of the guys Jones would happily face, like my boy Frazier.

That's true. I guess that's why Jones made twelve defenses at LHW, eight of which came against southpaws.

I talking about the decent ones. The tall rangy southpaws with high skill levels.

Tarver:
In 95 when Tarver was about to turn pro Jones offered to sign him up. Tarver said no that would be a clash of interests, because I'm coming for you. In 2000 he was Jones's IBF mandatory, instead of facing him Jones would write a series of letters questioning Tarvers credentails and demanding he take part in an elimination contest. He never did that for bin men like Kelly, Frazier etc.

In 2002 Traver was his mandatory again and he could of fought him instead of Woods or Kelly. But he chose those guys instead and then vacated the belt to move up.

After he beat Ruiz he would call Griffin and promise him a rematch if he beat Tarver. Lampley would than go on to say that he never gave Tarver a call. Manny Steward would burst out laughing

Nunn:
Dealt with already

Liles:
Liles blames Jones for the fight not happening.

And Roy Jones never retired. He didn't vacate the belt saying he was retiring. He vacated the belt because he was moving up to HW.

The fight went to purse bids, every thing was set to go before Jones pulled out. There was nothing stopping him from facing Nunn then moving up. The HW division wasnt going anywhere.

JONES-NUNN TITLE FIGHT PLUM FOR DENVER GROUP.(Sports)(Column)

Publication:
Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO)
Publish date:
October 23, 1997
Author:
Adams, Sam Copyright
Byline: Sam Adams Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer

The Roy Jones Jr.-Michael Nunn fight in January for Jones' World Boxing Council light-heavyweight title won't be in Denver, but the bout will have Denver ties.

Denver-based America Presents secured promotional rights to the fight with a purse bid of $2.4 million. America Presents promotes fights for Nunn, who has been a world champion twice in his career.

Yeah, I can't knock him for fleecing the man.

And mandatories are the price you pay when you're undefeated (see: Hopkins, Bernard). But God, those were lean years.

At least Lampley got a chance to impersonate Cossel during the Jones-Frazier fight.

[Toney616]

It's easy to say in retrospect it shouldn't have happened. Back then neurology was still a relatively new and often abstract branch of medicine. The referee certainly shouldn't shoulder the blame. I'm sure he must have observed McClellan blinking repeatedly. But this proves precisely what?

At the end of round two McClellan went back to his corner and told his trainer, Stanley Johnson that he knew something was wrong with his head. His trainer told to keep on fighting. After round 6 he told his trainer that he wanted to quit because he knew something was wrong. His trainer told him to go out there and die.

As for the ref there was nothing stopping him from calling a ringside doctor to take a look at McClellan.

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True. He had no business losing to guys like Rochigianni or Littles, but Jones still should of fought him. Even way over the hill he was still a lot better than some of the guys Jones would happily face, like my boy Frazier

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I think you can make a case that, style-wise, Nunn would cause problems but you can't say he was a better opponent for Jones than Griffin or Hill, for instance at that time. So I don't know if he should've fought him, as you put it. There were better opponents who he did fight in that timeframe. The idea that Jones vacated his title to avoid Nunn...just think about it for a sec . This wasn't Nunn of 1993 here. And if he fought Nunn during the time you seem to be talking about - after he fought Graciano, he would've been ridiculed like he was for the McCallum bout.

I talking about the decent ones. The tall rangy southpaws with high skill levels.

Tarver:
In 95 when Tarver was about to turn pro Jones offered to sign him up. Tarver said no that would be a clash of interests, because I'm coming for you. In 2000 he was Jones's IBF mandatory, instead of facing him Jones would write a series of letters questioning Tarvers credentails and demanding he take part in an elimination contest. He never did that for bin men like Kelly, Frazier etc.

I agree with you. I remember that well and scratching my head. This is one of those other instances where I felt he avoided a match, aside from the Jirov bout. I always felt Tarver was the guy to beat him--no lie. Always. But to his credit, in that letter he wrote to the IBF, Jones stated that he was more than willing to face the winner of a Tarver-Harding box-off and he did. Right after. And his reason for wanting to delay that mandatory was because he had another mandatory due earlier for the WBA. And much to our chagrin, Jones loved keeping his belts. How true that really is, who knows but he did fight the winner...a tall southpaw with damn good skills.

In 2002 Traver was his mandatory again and he could of fought him instead of Woods or Kelly. But he chose those guys instead and then vacated the belt to move up.

Man, you are talking crazy lol. No, he could'n't have fought him instead of Woods or Kelly. Tarver wasn't the mandatory when Jones fought Kelly (he fought Kelly like a week after Tarver fought for the #1 contender slot against Johnson). That fight was signed well before, come on. And no, he couldn't have fought him instead of Woods, Tarver wasn't even calling for the fight then. He wanted Harding again, who he got a month or so before Jones fought Woods. Fights don't get signed and occur in a matter of weeks. So no, man . And yes, he moved up to HW and fought Ruiz instead of Tarver which is about as much a duck as Hopkins moving to 175 to fight Tarver instead of 168 to fight Calzaghe.

After he beat Ruiz he would call Griffin and promise him a rematch if he beat Tarver. Lampley would than go on to say that he never gave Tarver a call. Manny Steward would burst out laughing

And after they finished laughing, they watched Jones move back down and fight Tarver in his very next bout. And then give him an immediate rematch when most big name fighters would've taken that win and run for the hills. Then took 15 months off after two devastating KO losses and went straight to Tarver again in his first bout back. Yeah, Roy the ducker did that .

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Without the use of steroids the most muscle a person can put on in 6 weeks is 6 lbs.
Both Lamphley, Merchant and even Jones has said that Jones only moved up to HW for one fight. It was always his intention to move back down, which is why he called Griffin before his fight with Tarver and offered him a rematch if he got past Tarver

Also without the use of steroids you tend to look like **** . Jones was done, my friend. Whether it's because he was off the juice or too old and too much on it in the past and it began taking its negative toll, he was done. And since when did Lampley and Merchant become Jones' advisers? Jones stayed kept the weight months after the Ruiz bout as he negotiated a bout with Holyfield (which Evander eventually pulled out of) and dreamily spoke of a mega bout with Tyson. The Tarver bout came to fruition last minute when Jones had no big fights at HW except a Corrie Sanders he wasn't trying to see in the audience, much less in the ring.

[JAB5239]

When Nunn was his wbc mandatory

Thank you.

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At the end of round two McClellan went back to his corner and told his trainer, Stanley Johnson that he knew something was wrong with his head. His trainer told to keep on fighting. After round 6 he told his trainer that he wanted to quit because he knew something was wrong. His trainer told him to go out there and die.

I'm certain fighters complain about all sorts of problems during a fight and that their trainers give them hell. It doesn't mean they will suffer a massive brain bleed.

As for the ref there was nothing stopping him from calling a ringside doctor to take a look at McClellan.

Clearly he didn't think it was serious. Perhaps the last fight he was over was one in which a fighter spent half the bout blinking after a thumb. And if the referee has no training to look for specific conditions he most likely won't.

[Toney616]

I'm certain fighters complain about all sorts of problems during a fight and that their trainers give them hell. It doesn't mean they will suffer a massive brain bleed.

Think about what you are saying here.
If your fighter tells you he wants to quit because he knows something is wrong with his head, you pull him out. They didnt and look how things turned out.
That fight took place only a couple of months after Eubank-Watson II

Clearly he didn't think it was serious. Perhaps the last fight he was over was one in which a fighter spent half the bout blinking after a thumb. And if the referee has no training to look for specific conditions he most likely won't.

He was blinking both eyes, not one. He took a knee in the corner and the ref told him to get up and keep on fighting. In a boxing fight the last one to stop a fight is the fighter, who because of his career, ego etc refuses to quit no matter what. The corner is also comprimised it they are not in charge and bow to the dictates of the fighter. The person who really should be on the look out for serious signs of distress is the referee. Who should at least have a certain level of impartiality.